[ontheuptick]

I saw this post by JCTC of his recently received ASM customs. Check out this picture:



Those are stacks of 20 chips, with huge variances between the chip height. To me, this is a big problem.

Some people complain about different things with their chips (inlay's off center, spinners, etc.), but this would seem like maybe the biggest problem of all. How can you count stacks if they are going to be this different?

Others who've recently bought ASM sets, is this a common problem with ASM chips? Is it not as big of a problem as this picture suggests? I have been considering a custom set for a while now, and this has me turned way off from ASM...

Thanks for your thoughts..

[links_slayer]

I only had this problem with my Purple chips. They seem to have the most variance. In fact a stack of 20 didn't fit into a rack unless a "thick" chip was swapped out for a "thinner" chip.

All the others were fine. I guess I never paid that much attention to it. We never make towers or stacks on top of stacks so it's not really an issue.

[99%evil]

I commented in his thread...I know they're hand hade, but BC, Paulson and TRK did not have this issue (they have their own, trk chip diameters were slightly off for example).

AS I stated inthe other thread, if there's one thing I want consistent it's thickness, when your comparing stacks or matching up stacks... you need to make sre no one is getting short changed.

[imthatguy]

I didn't come across this problem with the Avalons. I think it really comes down to who's working that day, how the presses are calibrated, the makeup of the materials for each batch, human error, etc. I'm not all that concerned about it, because I rarely have stacks over 20.

If they're really bad, send 'em back. Try not to make a big deal over something that is hand made for you.

[99%evil]

Originally Posted by imthatguy

Try not to make a big deal over something that is hand made for you.

But why don't the other chip makers have this issue? And if I'm forking $1.45 per chip I'd like to have stacks of 20 that are at least within a mm. Maybe variation over a stack of 60, but when there's a half to three quarters a chip difference in a stack of 20...just not acceptable. My chips were this far off. Other companies are hand made and don't have this problem to this degree...why should it be acceptable from ASM? I love their chips, but this is a big deal IMO.

I would bet that no casino would accept stacks that were off by that much.

[ontheuptick]

Originally Posted by 99%evil

But why don't the other chip makers have this issue? And if I'm forking $1.45 per chip I'd like to have stacks of 20 that are at least within a mm. Maybe variation over a stack of 60, but when there's a half to three quarters a chip difference in a stack of 20...just not acceptable. My chips were this far off. Other companies are hand made and don't have this problem to this degree...why should it be acceptable from ASM? I love their chips, but this is a big deal IMO.

I would bet that no casino would accept stacks that were off by that much.

If you look at the picture above, the stack on the far right and far left look like it's almost exactly 1 chip difference. 19 chips in the stack on the right would equal 20 in the stack on the left.

[imthatguy]

Originally Posted by 99%evil

But why don't the other chip makers have this issue? And if I'm forking $1.45 per chip I'd like to have stacks of 20 that are at least within a mm. Maybe variation over a stack of 60, but when there's a half to three quarters a chip difference in a stack of 20...just not acceptable. My chips were this far off. Other companies are hand made and don't have this problem to this degree...why should it be acceptable from ASM? I love their chips, but this is a big deal IMO.

I would bet that no casino would accept stacks that were off by that much.

My point is that this is not happening to every order. It's seemingly random, and if that's true then just get replacements, or use the extras given to you (free of charge). $1.45 is a lot per chip - I understand that - but this is a small problem that can be easily fixed.

As far as other chips being hand made, they've all got their share of problems, so don't make it sound like they're perfect, because they're certainly not (BCC - horribly misshapen inlays, Paulson - warping).

What did you do with yours when they were that bad?

[Colquhoun]

Originally Posted by ontheuptick

If you look at the picture above, the stack on the far right and far left look like it's almost exactly 1 chip difference. 19 chips in the stack on the right would equal 20 in the stack on the left.

I noticed this too. I think it is a big problem. I use stacks to count chips....I count out 5, match that stack with another 5, combine to make a stack of 10, and match more stacks up to that....
If they don't line up, what's the point of counting them?

[99%evil]

Originally Posted by imthatguy

What did you do with yours when they were that bad?

I do what I've done with all my chps...I sell 'em.

I've seen three sets of ASM's including mine...everyone of the sets had chip heightr variations.

I can live with warped inlays (I won't like it), warped chips (paulsons were not that warped, 20 high was no issue). But as stated by others, when I'm paying someone off, I'd like to think I'm getting or giving the correct amount of chips. The other issues you've mentioned won't cost me money in the course of a poker game, getting paid 19 chips when I'm owed 20 could be the difference between someone being knocked out of a tourney.

[imthatguy]

Originally Posted by 99%evil

The other issues you've mentioned won't cost me money in the course of a poker game, getting paid 19 chips when I'm owed 20 could be the difference between someone being knocked out of a tourney.

That's a good point, but I always try to count 'em. Even if I'm matching stacks, and one looks off, I'm going to count the stack prior to handing it over.