[JCTC]

Hello,

I've just received my first order of ASM customs.
I ordered 1000 chips. I received 26 extras for a total of 1026. They were not oiled, so I have done that over the last few nights and inspected them during that time.

Of the chips I received, 8 chips had problems with the mold or inlay. That should have been no problem, as there were some extras. However, there were 40 spinners. Of the 100 ordered T$1000 chips, 35 had defects in the edge spots (see picture). Of the 30 Bounty chips I ordered all but 9 had defects in the edge spot (see pictures).

As a final count, I have 196 (of 200) T$25, 352 (of 370) T$100, 295 (of 300) T$500, 65 (of 100) T$1000 and 9 (of 30) Bounty Chips.

Additionally, there seems to be quite a bit of difference in the thickness of the chips. In some stacks there is almost a 1 chip difference in the size of a 20-chip stack.

However, I'm wondering is this experience unusual? I'm most concerned about the edgespots. That detracts from the attractiveness of the stacked chips IMO and there aren't spinner/extras to replace them. The spinners sort of suck because stacking the chips is a little less stable. The difference in thickness is wierd, as it is only noticable when you stack in 20-chip stacks.

Feedback anyone?


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[JM]

The spinners would probably be considered a defect by ASM. The edgespots though are part of the way clay compression chips are made. The thickness is not considered a defect either typically. There's a post from JimB about this I'll post a link to in a second.

Found the post. Read this from Jim Blanchard:
http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/169382-post1.html

[AlbinoDragon]

Your edgespots look perfectly normal. That's just part of the stamping, filling and compression process. I've got plenty like that. I think the non-uniform edge spots give them more character.

The thickness difference. That's more than I've seen, but probably not unheard of. It may be just a few that throw the stacks off.

The thing to remember, these are made by hand and compressed under a great deal of pressure (I think about 10,000 PSI) and temperature (I've heard 300 degrees F). They are not science. They are art. If you expect them to be absolutely perfect and uniform... you really should have got ceramics.

Spinners.... I'm beginning to think that some of the spinner problem people run across is due to the chips warping in the heat of shipment. I got mine in June... in Arizona. I know they spent some time in Phoenix before being trucked here (Tucson). I know ASM took the Roman mold out of availability to get it fixed, so I'm doubtful it's the mold. There may be problems with the inlays, but ASM changed the way they fix the inlays before stamping some time back as well.

My datapoint is I have H molds with quite a few spinners. Others have received H molds that were made within a couple months of mine with no spinners. I'm going to try the unwarping method for the Paulsons that has been mentioned here to see if that takes care of it. I also have some more H molds due towards the end of October (when the temperatures are a little more sane). My bet is I have no spinners in that batch....

In other words, you got perfectly normal chips. Don't worry and play with them. They will make you happier!

[EDIT] - Thanks JM. I knew that posting by JimB was around, I was just too lazy to go hunt it down....

[JCTC]

A. D.,

Regarding the edge spot, it looks like the edge spot material split in the middle of the chip. The issue did not appear on ANY of the 870 other colored chips in this set that had a higher number produced. Also, this only showed up on the black spots on these two chips with a 100 and 30-chip run.

I have experience with Paulson chips and have handled a few casino chips in my time, and while the edges of edge spots are never straight, the edge spots are never bisected like this. The comment about the ceramics was uncalled for.

I'm asking because I want to understand, not be talked down to.

Originally Posted by AlbinoDragon

Your edgespots look perfectly normal. That's just part of the stamping, filling and compression process. I've got plenty like that. I think the non-uniform edge spots give them more character.

The thickness difference. That's more than I've seen, but probably not unheard of. It may be just a few that throw the stacks off.

The thing to remember, these are made by hand and compressed under a great deal of pressure (I think about 10,000 PSI) and temperature (I've heard 300 degrees F). They are not science. They are art. If you expect them to be absolutely perfect and uniform... you really should have got ceramics.

Spinners.... I'm beginning to think that some of the spinner problem people run across is due to the chips warping in the heat of shipment. I got mine in June... in Arizona. I know they spent some time in Phoenix before being trucked here (Tucson). I know ASM took the Roman mold out of availability to get it fixed, so I'm doubtful it's the mold. There may be problems with the inlays, but ASM changed the way they fix the inlays before stamping some time back as well.

My datapoint is I have H molds with quite a few spinners. Others have received H molds that were made within a couple months of mine with no spinners. I'm going to try the unwarping method for the Paulsons that has been mentioned here to see if that takes care of it. I also have some more H molds due towards the end of October (when the temperatures are a little more sane). My bet is I have no spinners in that batch....

In other words, you got perfectly normal chips. Don't worry and play with them. They will make you happier!

[EDIT] - Thanks JM. I knew that posting by JimB was around, I was just too lazy to go hunt it down....

[weak]

do some of the edgespots in pic #1 & #2 have a different color? that's ridiculous...

edit:
and i wouldn't be satisfied with those black edgespots either

[Big Mike]

I've never seen edgespots like that. I would be unhappy with them also.

[2_hotty]

Those seem pretty normal to me, with the exception of the spinners. Those would bother me too but the other issues seem okay IMO.

[hachkc]

The spot side images definitely look strange. I assume the faces look okay though.

[Big Mike]

Originally Posted by 2_hotty

Those seem pretty normal to me, with the exception of the spinners.

Not picking on you specifically hotty, but to all people saying this is normal - are we looking at the same chips? The edge spots on the sides are split by the main body colour of the chip! That is not normal in that quantity on any pics of any clay chips I have ever seen on this site.
Someone please correct me (with pics if possible) if I am wrong.

added for specificity: Look at the 6th pic down (first one showing the white bodied chips). The right most 7 chips are about normal. The others are pretty clearly not, imo.

[JM]

Not unheard of with compression clays. I've seen plenty of paulsons like that, here's some of mine. Check the $100s...