Chipco vs. Sun Fly

the3rd · #51 (**permalink**) 03-19-2007, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Fredthesecond

Does anyone have any experience about Sun-Fly vs the latest smooth ABC?

Martin

I'll keep this short since this is a chipco/sunfly thread. They are very similar. I only have samples of ABC smooth so I can't make far reaching claims about certain characteristics like spinners and off-center printing except to say none that I recieved are off-center or spin. They sound nearly identical. They feel the same after only a few days of handling. They both have squarer edges than a Chipco, but this in no way interferes with handling. Even Joe says ABC is the place to go if you must have aligned edge spots.

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Originally Posted by Buzzerbeater

I have over 300 chipcos. I have yet to find one that's off center. There are a few spinners, but hardly any at all. Again. You really need to get samples of each kind of chip to know what you like.

I've got samples, sets and have played with others' chipsets and in casinos that encompass everything currently and previously available when it comes to ceramics. I think Chipco's low production runs for customs and home market chips are better than what they ship to casinos when it comes to centering. Some Chipco vendors will replace spinners so it is not that big of a deal, but for the price, I shouldn't be inconvenienced with getting replacements.

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Originally Posted by palmimports

...the bleed issue is almost nonexistant now due to mor precise equipment- I am not sure if this is the case at Sunfly direct but here it is- a good example is the Tikis we do- absolutely NO bleed and there is a distinctive gloss rim - basically the same as the chipco white ring only ours is hi gloss and the same as the artwork- I didnt even see this until a few weeks ago but the new series III blanks has this pronounced GLOSS ring on the chip.

The tikis look amazing. The glossy edge works with that design well. It does not look toy like as some have said in other threads about ceramics.

TC Valdez · #52 (**permalink**) 03-19-2007, 04:46 PM

I gotta throw my .02 in the mix.

I have to agree that customer service and the fact that some manufacturers are right here on the site is very important.

My vote is for JOE and Palmimports. His customer service, in IMO, just can't be beat. Answered all questions. I have a set of custom ceramics coming from him. Hopefully receiving them this week.

customer service and availability are very important, when I'm dropping my hard earned money on my chips.

Props to Joe and palmimports.

TC Valdez

stalee 679 · #53 (**permalink**) 03-19-2007, 05:06 PM

Well to say i'm satisfied about the response to my first thread would be an understatement. Thanks to everyone who has comtributed so far. I have been shopping around now for about a month. I ordered samples from Mr. Chip about two weeks ago and can't wait till them come in. I also have been talking to Gene at ABC and am leaning towards ordering from him due to the fact that he has worked with the guy who designed my chips in the past. I know this is off the original subject, but any feedback on ABC's ceramics would be great also. I did take in consideration Joe at Palm Imports, but the only thing that turned me away is the fact that my chips will have aligned edges.

Thanks again everybody!

palmimports · #54 (**permalink**) 03-19-2007, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by stalee 679

Well to say i'm satisfied about the response to my first thread would be an understatement. Thanks to everyone who has comtributed so far. I have been shopping around now for about a month. I ordered samples from Mr. Chip about two weeks ago and can't wait till them come in. I also have been talking to Gene at ABC and am leaning towards ordering from him due to the fact that he has worked with the guy who designed my chips in the past. I know this is off the original subject, but any feedback on ABC's ceramics would be great also. I did take in consideration Joe at Palm Imports, but the only thing that turned me away is the fact that my chips will have aligned edges.

Thanks again everybody!

IF I was NOT a ceramic chip maker- and wanted a s et of ceramics with aligned edges- and wanted em done right----
I'd go to ABC in a heartbeat.
Dont even waste time looking for comments on ABC- just go order your chips -theyre good

plagueboy · #55 (**permalink**) 03-19-2007, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Stocktrader

... MY thought process was the Chipco's were closer to custom Clay's in price then they are to Sun-Fly's. And while the jump in quality (to ME) from Sun-Fly to Chipco didn't offset the extra cash, I'd be better off making the jump to Casino type clay's. Just seems to me the Chipco's are in that neverland as far as price points.

Agreed.

BDHALEY · #56 (**permalink**) 03-19-2007, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by palmimports

You really do need to explain even if it's considered bashing LOL-
Thats what this is all about- people's opinions--
I have no qualms saying alot of Chipco's are printed off-centered- its an observation of fact--I dont consider it Chipco bashing-they make a real good chip- if you can live with alot of off centered images and spinners... and over twice the price LOL

But hey-- that Chipco sound-- to many it's more important then off-centered printing and spinners.

Maybe product improvement(s) can be made based on your observations

I dont take anything personally nor will Sunfly--\
Whats important is: what can we do to make a better chip
( I think fritolay said this first but I cant be sure)

Here's the thing, i'm not saying what you have is not a good product, and i've only seen samples of a few sets you've done. but I own 800 WSOP Chipcos, and it would take me sorting through all 800 to find maybe a couple spinners, and maybe a couple off center. A game I play in uses almost 1500 custom chipco's and i've never seen one there was a problem with. The intention of my comments were to not deny anything that you've said about your chips, but to throw in comments for Chipco since the thread became quickly weighted toward Sun-Fly chips being a better product. To all those that own sun-fly chips and love them, great, I'm happy for you. I own 800 chipcos and I love them. When I compared sun-fly to chipco, they just weren't for me.

To your point above, I've got a sample set of bellagios and there is one chip that is severely off center. Should I post it here?

I'm sure your customer service is excellent, and you are definitely one of the most active manufacturers on this site which is great. I applaud you for taking in the CT community and servicing its members and their chip needs.

If you want my opinion on the samples i got- the printing was fuzzy, the bleeding was bad, the one chip was very off center, and they just felt different.
maybe you've made some changes to the chips/process since the samples i received (about 6 weeks ago) and these things are resolved.
my bottom line- I was willing to pay more for chipcos because i felt they were a better product for the price difference.

7thSeat · #57 (**permalink**) 03-19-2007, 06:54 PM

First of all I would like to say that BG make the best ceramics in my opinion.
Thay are how ever not available for custom chips.

I like Chipcos over Sunflys but the differens is not that big and highly subjective. Both Palm Imports and MrChips are great from my experiance and you probably be very happy with a ceramic set from either one of them. There are of course other venors on this site that has a great reputation but whom I not yet have had the pleasure dealing with.

This is really a question only samples can answer though.

7th

the3rd · #58 (**permalink**) 03-19-2007, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by BDHALEY

To your point above, I've got a sample set of bellagios and there is one chip that is severely off center. Should I post it here?

If you want my opinion on the samples i got- the printing was fuzzy, the bleeding was bad, the one chip was very off center, and they just felt different.
maybe you've made some changes to the chips/process since the samples i received (about 6 weeks ago) and these things are resolved.

Those chips were printed in China last year.

BPTDirector · #59 (**permalink**) 03-20-2007, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by the3rd

Those chips were printed in China last year.

Even though they were printed in China, they were still Palm produced as far as the marketplace goes. I believe what BDHALEY is talking about is that it's not fair to judge others products when those you represent have some minor flaws also.

Samples are the only answer as to what each individual is going to want. I have Chipco's, but will be getting 43mm chips from Palm and Joe when they come in. All of the vendors on this site have quality products as far as I'm concerned, it's what is best for me individually that I end up spending my money on.

Spread the wealth, don't bash the competition......

BPT

the3rd · #60 (**permalink**) 03-20-2007, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by BPTDirector

Even though they were printed in China, they were still Palm produced as far as the marketplace goes. I believe what BDHALEY is talking about is that it's not fair to judge others products when those you represent have some minor flaws also.

Samples are the only answer as to what each individual is going to want. I have Chipco's, but will be getting 43mm chips from Palm and Joe when they come in. All of the vendors on this site have quality products as far as I'm concerned, it's what is best for me individually that I end up spending my money on.

Spread the wealth, don't bash the competition......

BPT

I thought BD was inquiring about whether changes have be made since he received his samples. In post #45 Joe explains the equipment has been upgraded to be more precise. I think those changes were made quite some time ago. The difference between the Bellagios and new Tikis is BIG.