[mattjrocks]

Wow, civil war on CT. I think there have been too many tributes, commemoratives, clones, replicas, etc., come out in the last year. It is sort of becoming boring. But on the other hand, wouldn't a genuine set of chips become even more valuable if the majority of people own replicas? I don't know. Personally, I don't care for all the replicas but I would rather own a nice replica set than a crappy dice set that 99 percent of the world still thinks are "good chips".

[Jonah 99]

Originally Posted by smoore

This is one of the areas where a line will have to be drawn.

I own Bluz at the Bend chips. *IF* I got permission from the owners of the establishment, would producing a 25¢ direct copy of the chip be unethical according to this code?

1 - they never issued 25¢ chips.
2 - the reseller of the chips offered to contact the owner and ask permission.

How about a Dunes replica set done on ceramics? It's quite obvious that it's not an actual dunes chip, even on the crappiest of ebay photos. The only argument I can come up with against this would be that someone might use these replicas to defraud some poor fool. Caveat Emptor. Collectors can't really complain, because it's obviously not the real thing.

Everyone copied Henry Ford.

I don't have a problem with this, I'm in a similuar situation I own chips that are from a closed casino that I would like to evolve into a playable cash set, and not all of the denoms are available.

The labels I'm talking about are the stock Paulson inserts applied to non Hat & Cane chips and passed off as Paulsons. First the originals are available and not out of print, second I'm pretty sure Paulson didn't bless this.

[TheMightyJim2k]

Originally Posted by JT-Bird

I have refrained from commenting on this thread all day, and I am still going to try to keep it short. I don't really understand the big deal here. The fact is, this site is Chiptalk, not ChipCollectorTalk or CustomChipTalk.

This site should be open to the discussion of any and all chips that people have interest in buying, selling, creating and developing.. jointly or individually.

I know 100 times more about chips now than I did one year ago this week when I joined. The fact is however, what got me to this site and what kept me interested before my complete addiction was the 2005 Chipco WSOP replica group buy.

As far as I can tell, Replica Chips are - and always have been - a big part of this community. Just take a look around. If you don't like it, change the channel. In fact, if we created a "replica chip" discussion forum, then anyone who hated them would never have to look at them.

People who have "Chip Envy" for chips that cannot be purchased commercially and are interested in creating something reasonably close to their look and feel, should have the same freedom of expression as the artisans creating fresh new designs.

- Creator of Custom "Poker AllStars" Chips and "Binons Tributes" Chips
- Huge Fan of Chipco and Matsui WSOP Replicas, Coconut Beach BCC's and countless other chips that may cross the "line"

i pretty much agree with this.

[i run 8s]

I will never do any business with any firm that produces any chip that copies any known legit casino chip. Pretty much says my feelings.

8's

[palmimports]

Originally Posted by Feen666

yes it is!

YES IT IS!!!!!!! How dare you!!!
( email or send me a PM for pricing when ya get a moment)

[hunterking]

Originally Posted by i run 8s

I will never do any business with any firm that produces any chip that copies any known legit casino chip. Pretty much says my feelings.

8's

that rules out, among many others, chipco, blue chip, and probably asm then...

[kmalsom]

There have been some great original chips on this forum over the past year, but look at what's sold. Only the "tribute chips" have really sold, with a fex exceptions (Paulsons, Matsui).

WSOP (5 manufacturers making these iirc)
Binions
Condado Beach
EPT
PokerStars

look at the ones that haven't:

Borrowed time (Chipco's at $0.75 each)
Diamond Falls

One of the WSOPs started as a custom that everyone was asking to be made available. For the business people doing this type of an agreement doesn't really make sense. If you look at the exceptions, they're generally chips that you can't get custom unless you're willing to buy several thousand at a time.

Most of the design request's I've had have been for a tribute style or based on a specific chip. I think people generally want something familiar, and original isn't familiar.

[suited67]

These posts I perceive as a open discussion on where we stand as a forum. So is there a definitive side of the fence here. I have read many opinions that have some common ground. As Ten mentioned at the beginning we can weigh this topic against our own values and respond.


Here's my question for thought at what level of similairity does a chip become a copy? How many similairities versuses dissimiliar characteristics identify it as a copy.

?

And the floor is open

[Nexttime]

Originally Posted by suited67

Here's my question for thought at what level of similairity does a chip become a copy? How many similairities versuses dissimiliar characteristics identify it as a copy.

My guess would be the chip is deemed to be a copy if the chip designer feels that it impinges on their design.

[TimmyP]

CLONE COPY OR TRIBUTE?

I consider this all to mean the same thing.
You see a chip in a Tournament or Movie, or at a Casino or Card Room that you like; And know that it will never be made available to you, so you attempt to replicate it.
I have no real problem with this.

I think we all take elements from other chips and incorporate them into our ‘Original Creations’.

There is a line that is crossed, and sometime it is only perception of that.
When a fellow Chip Talk member plagiarizes almost wholesale an idea of a fellow chip talker that crosses the line.

Perception of Plagiarizing:
Fantasy Card rooms, poker tours and Casinos names are a prime example.
If you have a variation or a name you think is novel.
Example: ‘Basement Poker Tour’
And a week later, ‘The Garage Poker Tour’ shows up on new proposed chip? Cute new original twist on a name or a thinly veiled rip off?
The Sands, The Dunes, or Desert Inn? Which came first?

If the same person just cuts and pastes his name or home town over one my chip well that is just simple plagiarizing.

I try to do truly original things when I make my chip designs. I put a lot of thought into what I do. There is a theme or feeling I am trying to provoke. Be it Humorous, Hard Core Poker or attempting to take you to another place or time, I want it to be an original not just a knock off something else. (To me the almost wholesale ‘Palms’ rip-offs to me are just a waste of time and talent.) If I were to see an absolute rip-off of what I created and it appeared on this web page I would absolutely flame.

Plagiarizing like is like the old legal arguments about, “Porn Vs Art, ‘You may not be able to define porn, but you will know it when you see it.’