[viet rounder]

Man! there are alot of nice ASM customs on board which leads me to several questions. I noticed that most of you guys tend to have progressions starting from simple to more complex. For example, 0.25 (214), $1 (314), $5 (414), etc. So therefore the higher denoms tend to be the more beautiful. So does this mean you guys use the higher denoms more often than the lower ones? If so, I assume most of you prefer home tournies as oppose to home cashgames? For me, since most of my buddies prefer cashgames, I prefer to reverse the progression and make the more complex spots on the lower denoms since they will be used more often. Please discuss!

[Nanook]

Originally Posted by viet rounder

Man! there are alot of nice ASM customs on board which leads me to several questions. I noticed that most of you guys tend to have progressions starting from simple to more complex. For example, 0.25 (214), $1 (314), $5 (414), etc. So therefore the higher denoms tend to be the more beautiful. So does this mean you guys use the higher denoms more often than the lower ones? If so, I assume most of you prefer home tournies as oppose to home cashgames? For me, since most of my buddies prefer cashgames, I prefer to reverse the progression and make the more complex spots on the lower denoms since they will be used more often. Please discuss!

I see your logic. It makes sense, however typically casino's go from simple to complex and for this reason I think a lot of people like to do that too.


AB

[ThorCavalier]

I think the tradition of making the higher denoms more complex started because that is usually what you'll find in casinos. Of course the issue in a casino is more about security. The more complex the chip the harder it would be to counterfeit, so I think that is historically why the higher denoms are more complex. Also, the more complex chips are more expensive to make so a casino doesn't want to put as much money into the low denom chips, some of which, people will just leave without cashing in. But for a home game with custom chips those really aren't issues, so it doesn't really make sense to do it that way, it is just the way it has been done. I guess the reason we do it is similar to the reason that most people still use the standard color progressions. I'm a traditionalist when it comes to some things so I went that route. But your logic makes a lot of sense, and I am always happy to see sets that don't follow tradition.

[viet rounder]

Originally Posted by Nanook

I see your logic. It makes sense, however typically casino's go from simple to complex and for this reason I think a lot of people like to do that too.


AB

This is very true but Casinos can get away with it since they have greater variety of spot choices. Their high ends ($1000) usually consist of 418+4V and the 4D14 (which for our option is the complex) are seen on 5 dollar chips.

[tastic]

I know exactly what you mean viet.

I toiled over this when designing and ordering my cash set...I wanted to have a progression from simple to complex, yet have my favorite designs in the greatest number. But this was not possible when I was intending on both a cash and tourney set...it all came together when I decided on cash set alone...

[viet rounder]

Originally Posted by tastic

I know exactly what you mean viet.

I toiled over this when designing and ordering my cash set...I wanted to have a progression from simple to complex, yet have my favorite designs in the greatest number. But this was not possible when I was intending on both a cash and tourney set...it all came together when I decided on cash set alone...

I think the only real solution is to have both a CASH and TOURNY set (great! more $$$). Since I play alot of cash games, I think it's a SIN to let the 214 314 and 414 see all the action and let the 4D14 and 6A14 stare from behind

[JM]

When only the 312 & 3D14 patterns were available, I did the typical less complex to more complex as my denoms went up. However, when the new spots became available, I retooled some designs and did a simple to complex to simple pattern (picture a bell curve). For instance my $5 is 312, then 314 for $25, 3d14 for $100, 6a14 for $500, 4d14 for $1000, 4a14 for $5000 and 214 for 25K. Since we play mostly tournaments, that puts all the real fancy cool looking chips right there in plain sight for most of the tourney. Once I get the balance of my order (any day now!) I'll post a picture so you can see for yourself. I think there's something kind of elegant about the highest denom chips having the least complexity. Sort of saying 'the numbers on my inlay speak for themselves and don't need fancy spots to tell you what I'm worth!'

[MeridianFC]

My highest ($100) and lowest (.25) are the most simple (212 and 214 respectively). I don't forsee using the $100 cheque too often so I didn't want it to be the most interesting of the lot. My $100 is purposely ugly too, so it'll stand out if/when it comes out.

Personally I like a mish mash of spot styles mostly so things stand out, pattern is just one element that helps that.

[mizuchaud]

I did the truly wacky: bought solid starbursts for T25 and lots (LOTS) of St Jo $100 secondaries for T100 for our tournaments.

Two denoms. And the fancy pimped chip is in abundance. TRIPLE SLASH


AS for your OP question, I would say that JM's BEll curve idea sounds the juiciest.

OR you could figure out which denom in your set is used the MOST (the second or third denom?) and pimp that one out. That way the first chip is a gentle start before you hit the big time. (More money though, as you would be using the expensive edgespots on the maximum # of chips)

[noelsarchs]

I did a modified progression using only the 3d14, 4d14, 6A14 and 614 options.

My main goal was to design each chip as it's own beautiful combination of colors. Second, I then tried to make sure that the chips worked together in groups of 3 denominations or variations of that theme. In addition, I did not at all rule out using the same color edge spot on many of the chips, so there are sometimes 3 chips that have one color repeat.

But the bottom line, each chip was it's own design.

I was complaining about this progression theme during both the group buy design phase as well as during the protege competition yet I felt that not one person was listening to my reasoning. Even more so with the bland color combinations that were being voted on so I just finally gave up and designed my own from top to bottom.

As I have a sample set from the original group buy from a member here, I think those chips had some very serious shortcomings color wise.

With the 18 chips that I designed for my own two custom sets, I used many Paulson and other historical examples for my color combinations. I also used an example from the BCC chips shown on the poker program which aired on INHD for two of my chips.

So, yes Viet, I see your point with the question. In my case, I designed two separate sets. One was a full range from $1 thru $25,000 and the other began at $500 and went up thru $25,000 for an add on tournament type set up.