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Old 05-01-2008, 07:46 PM
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Sun Tzu -Art of War- / Final Layout + Samples !!

Hello everybody.

Second or third post here. Great forum with so many Design-Ideas in it that you can't really decide where to look first.

Well then. In my first post I presented 4 Design from me, that were my participants in a chip-design contest. Everyone could bring in 4 Designs if he wishs.
1st place a 500 set
2nd place a 300 set
Places 3-10 a small 50 set

The contest is over and I took home 900 Chips.

I'm now about to decide which design I will use for the chips. From the idea, I liked my "Art of War" Set best. Every denom has a unique back with one of Sun Tzus Wisdoms on it that fit with poker strategies.

This is the old set (managed place 9 in the contest):



As I said, I liked the idea and also the Yin-Yang dragons, but the design itself is not classy enough, it just didn't have a high-quality feeling to it.

I worked today on a rather modern design for a progen80 inlay a customer gave me some references for and figured in the process that it might go very well as a body for "the Art of War" concept.

This is the first concept of the inlay:



I now added a wooden structure to the chip and embedded parts of the old design into this chip layout. I created them with the unique backs, but also put a cash-value on the back. So I can use this set for tourneys and cashgames alike. I'm sure not everybody likes that, but this can be changed in a blink. I would rather like some comments on the overall design.

The dragons on the back of the chips are always in a darker color-scheme, to provide a better background for the wisdom-texts, as they might otherwise get hard to read in the small size of a chip.

These are the first 3 denoms without the last, if needed, finishing touch:



Hope you like it and forgive me my sometimes bumpy english.


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Re: Sun Tzu -Art of War- Mockups

Nice designs,

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Re: Sun Tzu -Art of War- Mockups

Very cool design! I like it a lot. busy but classy. very nice.
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Wow. I really like the wood grained chips. Very different and very stylish. I also like the clean simple progen inlays. Good work man.
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Re: Sun Tzu -Art of War- Mockups

Hello and Welcome!

Very nice designs! The Art of War is a very interesting concept. Probalbly too busy for a 39mm chip but should be great in a larger format. It just so happens that Sun-Fly is having a design competition for their new line of 43mm chips...

http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/sun-fl...mpetition.html

I also like your Pro-Gen design... you should keep an eye on this thread for another upcoming contest.

http://www.chiptalk.net/forum/palmim...ion-chips.html

The last Sun-Fly contest ended with each designer getting sample sets and a terrific group-buy of all the designs at 55c a chip!

Joe at PI has always been very generous with those who contribute to his offerings and I am sure it will be the same for this contest when and if it happens.

Again very nice designs and Welcome to CT!
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Love those wood grain chips. I would probably remove "tournament" and "cash game" though. The values/denominations speak for themselves and also it makes it less busy.....great work.....hopefully a group buy for this......
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Pretty nice.
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Those are absolutely magnificent. Very beautiful design
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Re: Sun Tzu -Art of War- Mockups

I really like the design. I'll comment more on that in a minute.

I really don't like the 2 different sides: 1 cash, 1 tourney. I'd make it either a tourney set or a cash set, or 2 different sets, one of each, but not both types on one chip.

The design around the rim of the face is excellent, and really fits the theme. The front (or tourney) side looks a bit brighter which I think looks better. I'd make both sides that bright.

The font is a little difficult to read. I think I'd prefer something cleaner and less "cartoonish".

I really like the edges and how it looks recessed. Very nice. I like the font used for the denominations, and I like that you didn't put a dollar sign on it. The wood grain looks great. I'd remove the embossing that you put on the edge of the faces to make it look rounded. I don't think it would work well on a chip that wasn't indeed rounded, and if it was rounded, it would already have that effect. I would also get rid of "tournament", "cash game", "no cash value", and "the art of war" on the right side of the chip (as well as the rectangles those words are sitting on). I feel like it takes away from the great artwork behind it.

I'm not sure how I feel about the quotes from the Art of War. I think I could keep them or leave them. I'm just not sure... Maybe in a different cleaner more classy font I'd like it more.

Overall, the chips are great and I think you could win a contest with them. The thoughts and comments are just what I would do with the chips if they were my design. Nice work!
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Re: Sun Tzu -Art of War- Mockups

First of all, thank you for all your comments and criticism on the design.

I think the design is on the right way and I tried to give all the constructive suggestions a try.

@ jaeden
Step2 is your reduction of the bit busy design with just the Tournament and Cashgame texts kicked out. On the front the rectangles are still there, but they look stupid, as they don't fulfill a task anymore.


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I really don't like the 2 different sides: 1 cash, 1 tourney. I'd make it either a tourney set or a cash set, or 2 different sets, one of each, but not both types on one chip.
--> well it's my privat set, but I put in Step3 with only tourney denoms to make sure this won't be a disturbing factor in the further development of the chip. As I said, this is changed in a few minutes for all denoms.

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---- 1 ----
The design around the rim of the face is excellent, and really fits the theme. The front (or tourney) side looks a bit brighter which I think looks better. I'd make both sides that bright.

---- 2 ----
The font is a little difficult to read. I think I'd prefer something cleaner and less "cartoonish".

---- 3 ----
I'd remove the embossing that you put on the edge of the faces to make it look rounded.

---- 4 ----
I would also get rid of "tournament", "cash game", "no cash value", and "the art of war" on the right side of the chip (as well as the rectangles those words are sitting on). I feel like it takes away from the great artwork behind it.

---- 5 ----
I'm not sure how I feel about the quotes from the Art of War. I think I could keep them or leave them. I'm just not sure... Maybe in a different cleaner more classy font I'd like it more.
1. Yeah, I wasn't too sure about the darker back also. Most important behind that decision was to make the text better readable. If you have any ideas how I can make sure it is without darkening the background I'm in for it. (have tried it with stronger shades around the text in step3 and I like it)

2. I only had the Chinyen-Font as I started the original Art of War design. The denom is done in another font I got later and I changed everything to this font.

3. The embossing was only for the collection-grafic. The original emboss is much lesser eminent and won't be seen on the chips. -see below-

4. cleaned the design conpletely in Step3 and cut out the rectangles, as I said before... without text they look meaningless. And I put a completely cleaned version in Step3 just for you, so you can see the artwork completely.

5. a NO GO. The wisdoms are part of the whole idea behind the design and can't be put out of it. I changed the font to bonzai in Step3 and make it a bit larger as I have now more space with the rectangles gone. Meanwhile I also got Samples fpr the first "Art of War" design and they're great already. You can read the text perfectly and there are some chips with long texts were the font is extremely small.


===> so back to everybodys opinion. See below some further steps taken and let me know what kind of development you like best. If possible also say something to different fonts and so on. The steps can easily be mixed to get the best result.

Thx in advance.


--> picture functions now

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