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Joe / Palm Imports Custom Dealer Buttons

I figured since I haven't seen a thread about Joe's custom dealer buttons here I'd post one up as sort of a custom thread/review thread. If this should go in Poker Gear, admins feel free to move it, but I figured since it was custom it should go here.

So after being in the ASM queue I figured I'd need a button to match my set! I had seen some other threads with Joe's dealer buttons and after getting their printers set up right they looked pretty good! I had some reservations about custom ceramic buttons since the first custom printed buttons that came out were huge 5" coasters with actual cork-bottom that were called "buttons" for no reason. These were not particularly from Joe, but from a few vendors a couple years ago. I had purchased a few and wasn't pleased with either the print or the 10lb weight of the stupid things

I got in contact with a couple members who had these new 2" buttons from Joe and decided it was a great deal, so I got to work on the mockups right away. Mockups for the entire set can be seen here, and this is the accomodating button I came up with:




Here's what came of the artwork.

Matte finish on the left, gloss finish on the right


Size against an ASM


Size against a standard Airtite


Size against a standard acrylic button


Print Quality: I wanted to mimic a standard etched 2.125" acrylic button for mine, so I chose a white background with a simple text of "Dealer", but I used the palm trees from my ASM inlays as a faded silhouette in the background. I chose not to have a rolling edge printed because of my idea of the plain dealer button. AFAIK these can be printed in full color and edges can be done, and they look stunning when done.

One thing to keep in mind is that printing these things can never be 100% perfect, but Joe gets pretty close! As you can see in the first picture, the matte button has a different edge margin of print than the gloss button on the right. However on the other side of either of these the print margin from the edge is different, as one of the trunks of the palm trees on the other side of the matte is all the way to the edge. I'm pretty sure this is just a byproduct of both my artwork submission and the printing process of ceramic. Joe can probably comment more on what causes this.

Another thing I noticed is that the matte image was slightly clearer print than the image printed on the gloss button. This is just due to the ink adhering to the actual material of the button in a different manner. It's not visible in the first picture and it's BARELY visible in person, but the difference is there.

Weight: I don't have a scale here but Joe's listed these as around 40 grams. They honestly don't feel that heavy but they're definitely heavier than a standard dealer button. I will say that it's because of the weight that the chip on the left side is there, it flung out of my hand by accident and knocked onto a hard floor

Price: Depending on how many buttons you buy, use or non-use of edge printing, and if you use different images on each side, these can range anywhere from $5 to $6.75 ea + shipping. These are definitely worth the few dollars!

So that's it! If the other people that experienced these buttons recently (and I say recently because of Joe's refinements to his machines) then feel free to chime in with either the good or the bad that you experienced with these. I love 'em!
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looks good none the less. i cant wait to see your chips!
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Re: Joe / Palm Imports Custom Dealer Buttons

Palm Imports dealer buttons rock. I got 4!
That privat cardroom button is maybe a year old, so I guess it's made on the old machinery.
I'm not sure about the Black Sands.




I love your design, very, very nice and clean.
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Re: Joe / Palm Imports Custom Dealer Buttons

Thanks for the compliments.

Vince yours look great even scrolled all the way to the way to the edge with full color! I think my specific submitted artwork to him wasn't the best file . Also I think it would be a good idea for anyone who does ceramic of any kind not to run a specific object to the outside edge, say...like...a palm tree. With a full color to the edge though those things look fantastic! And yeah the Private Cardroom one does look like a different button.
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Re: Joe / Palm Imports Custom Dealer Buttons

THanks for the review-- one inherent problem with the hi gloss dealer buttons is a mold imperfection- hard to describe but theres a slight HAZE on the surface of the gloss buttons- the factory is aware of it and cant seem to fix the problem so since theyre the only one making these blanks ( for now.. we do have another manufacturer we are looking at ) depending on the artwork- the haze can- or wont- be noticable- it all depends on artwork, color etc.

We dont have this issue with the matte blanks- which are the original blanks and which we found we still had a few thousand from years back-

Weve tried spraying the printed buttons with gloss and matte clear laquer but it doesnt always cover that haze all the time.

Weve also found that by increasing surface pressures we can hide most of the haze- again- depending on artwork- but sometimes we cant and its sort of the same thing with dimples on the sides of ceramics- a remnant of the injection mold machine-

weve tried to sand them off but due to the hi gloss edge which is actually IN the chip- we leave a dull area where we sanded- so dimples and haze for now are a biproduct of ceramics
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Re: Joe / Palm Imports Custom Dealer Buttons

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THanks for the review-- one inherent problem with the hi gloss dealer buttons is a mold imperfection- hard to describe but theres a slight HAZE on the surface of the gloss buttons- the factory is aware of it and cant seem to fix the problem so since theyre the only one making these blanks ( for now.. we do have another manufacturer we are looking at ) depending on the artwork- the haze can- or wont- be noticable- it all depends on artwork, color etc.

We dont have this issue with the matte blanks- which are the original blanks and which we found we still had a few thousand from years back-

Weve tried spraying the printed buttons with gloss and matte clear laquer but it doesnt always cover that haze all the time.

Weve also found that by increasing surface pressures we can hide most of the haze- again- depending on artwork- but sometimes we cant and its sort of the same thing with dimples on the sides of ceramics- a remnant of the injection mold machine-

weve tried to sand them off but due to the hi gloss edge which is actually IN the chip- we leave a dull area where we sanded- so dimples and haze for now are a biproduct of ceramics
Joe,

I don't know if the "haze" you are talking about is the same thing that was on the kill buttons you ran for us awhile back but I was able to make it look a little better with car wax.

buffed button on the left


Your buttons look great beemer!

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I don't know if the "haze" you are talking about is the same thing that was on the kill buttons you ran for us awhile back but I was able to make it look a little better with car wax.

buffed button on the left


Your buttons look great beemer!

sorry for the minor threadjack
the haze has been a minor annoyance for us for years- but yea- i just dont have time to wax every db order LOL- but most people find is acceptable-
im working on new molds now so were gonna try and get this fixed on the hi gloss db's- the mattes are fine
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so is this the official "Show us your sexy PI buttons" thread?



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WOOF! Those Deadwood and Tombstone ones are out of this world!!
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Thanks!

No threadjack there, I'd like for everyone to post theirs here and their comments on them.
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