[Magus 23]

Originally Posted by JM

I don't thing you can do the spots at 3 & 6 o'clock on that $2 the way you have them.

That's just a side effect of the Chip Tool. It's one of the existing patterns, but I suspect the actual edge spots will fall at the poles themselves. It's baasically a 1/2 spot alternating with a 1/4 spot. I used it as a gradual increase in complexity over the $1, but not as elaborate as the $5.

[Magus 23]

Originally Posted by Magus 23

And if we want to add a $25,000, we also have the repeated-inlay-shape problem, plus the difficulty of fitting the text into the available space.

I just thought of one possible solution for ultra-high-denomination chips: We go with giant inlays. We don't do shapes, and we've got room for the text. It does add another level of complexity to the production process, but if Sidepot thinks it's worth doing, I could certainly create some mockups.

Or do people think we should push for plaques instead? (Not that they're really on the table, but if we do produce chips, I can't imagine there would be enough demand to justify plaques as well.)

[EmptyPocs]

Originally Posted by Magus 23

Sir, you have excellent taste and talent.
Those are wonderful additions. These would tempt me to expand what I already ordered (when I did not really plan to).
So, when do I order?

[rowlin]

Originally Posted by Magus 23

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My two cents regarding suggestions for new NCV chips....

I am not wild about the combination of a salmon NCV chip with the existing orange NCV, and the edgespots on the dark blue chip are identical to those on the existing NCV.

Great ideas here - I like the direction this is heading. Keep up the good work!

[Sidepot]

Originally Posted by Magus 23

I just thought of one possible solution for ultra-high-denomination chips: We go with giant inlays. We don't do shapes, and we've got room for the text. It does add another level of complexity to the production process, but if Sidepot thinks it's worth doing, I could certainly create some mockups.

Or do people think we should push for plaques instead? (Not that they're really on the table, but if we do produce chips, I can't imagine there would be enough demand to justify plaques as well.)

Giant inlays on the ultra-high denominations is a cool idea, and IS definitely on the table. I'd love to see a mock-up. Might look really cool. My concern with plaques is that they're only available to be made by the '2nd tier" ceramic producers and thus have a propensity to chip. I'd rather stick to chips.

On any additional NCV chips, which I'm open to, what do you guys think about duplicating some of the more popular existing Protege chip colors? My understanding is if we have all the odd ball denominations covered with denominated chips, then the NCV chips are no longer fill-in chips, but rather their own set. We could use the popular shapes there as well and do 4-5 non-denominated colors.

On the odd ball denominations, I know it will be virtually impossible to maintain any sort of progression across the whole set, but if the core denominations have a progression and the odd ball denominations are just random shapes does that create a huge issue?

-Stephan

[Magus 23]

All right, here's my latest thinking.

With the addition of denominated chips to fill in the existing gaps, the NCV chips are indeed becoming an additional set. So if we do want to go that route, then we can in fact start creating duplicates of the existing chips. But rather than try and reinvent the wheel, I'm figuring we just take the most significant denominated chips and do a straight conversion into NCV chips. Maybe the $5, $25, and $100 for starters. Same colors and edge spot patterns, same inlay shapes, and same coordinated ornaments. No text or numerals, and the logo will be recolored (and resized slightly as necessary) as with the current NCV chip.

So once we've opted to go there, we retrofit the existing NCV chip -- and its inlay shape -- into the denominated lineup. And since the denomination that still needs a shape is the $10 (and since at least the Bellagio and Mirage use Orange -- for which Arc Yellow is our nearest equivalent -- as their $10 base color), we have our new $10 chip.

(I know there was a request for a $20 chip as well, but a $10 seems more intuitively sensible in terms of fitting into the set, given that we already have a $25 chip. So you'd have two chips for a $20 bill instead of one, but I'm hoping that's not too problematic.)

Since the Chip Factory can't do oversized inlays, I'll just go ahead and post a mockup from my master Illustrator file. I've done regular Grand inlays for the $25K and $100K mockups, but I could also vary the sizes as necessary. (Anyone remember what the exact settings for the various oversized inlay styles are? I'm blanking.) I also don't have customized ornaments for those yet, but I may just leave the four-laurel design. We'll see.

So here are the latest denominated chip proposals. Depending on feedback (Sidepot, should we start a specific thread for this topic?), I'll get to work on the new NCV "set" as well.

[EmptyPocs]

Interesting chips for the high denoms!

I don't think I like much the $10 duplicating the existing non-denom. And I was already going to use the existing ND for that anyhow.
I thought the idea of 2 more ND's was nice because you could retain one of each (different) for a cash set and also a tournament set without duplication. +You have the original one in addition for added flexablity.
The 2 new ND colors you picked would also lend themselves well to this purpose (dk blue for cash, coral/salmon for tournament); AND/OR additionally let people make 3 chip ND set if they liked.

JMHO

[Magus 23]

Originally Posted by EmptyPocs

I don't think I like much the $10 duplicating the existing non-denom. And I was already going to use the existing ND for that anyhow.

As was I. Which is why aesthetically, I was always pleased with the idea that the chip seemed to fit in as a nice bridge between the $5 and $25 chips (same edge spot pattern as the $5, but with the addition of a related second color as in the $25). But if we don't have any more inlay shapes (and we really don't), and we want a reasonable color for the $10 chip (I was figuring either Arc Yellow or one of the light blues -- which we're already using on the $1), then this seemed like the most reasonable alternative.

I guess in the end, people would always have the choice of buying what they wanted and using them however they want as well. It'll be up to Sidepot to gauge demand and weigh that against initial production costs.

Originally Posted by EmptyPocs

I thought the idea of 2 more ND's was nice because you could retain one of each (different) for a cash set and also a tournament set without duplication.

And in the end, we may be better off just going with a couple of additional ND chips and forgoing additional denominations. But, to be honest, I do kind of like the idea of incorporating larger inlays somewhere along the line (way back when, my initial take on this design used Grand inlays across the board), and the $25K and $100K chips seem like the logical place to do it. Color-wise, I also thought those were good places to put the Salmon and Dark Blue (in my "virtual" plaques, I'd used Red and Blue).

Given the additional production cost (not to mention time), a lot of this may not happen anyway. But I thought it was worth a shot.

Incidentally, here's what a preliminary NCV set might look like (along with the existing chip -- and I added the $1 so we could get a blue in there):



It's also worth noting that producing all of these new chips would bring us up to nine brand-new chips, effectively doubling the Protégé chip options (five new denominations, four new NCV chips). Which is just a bit more than Sidepot's original proposal -- one new chip.

[EmptyPocs]

Originally Posted by Magus 23

a bit more than Sidepot's original proposal -- one new chip.

LOL, well the large denom chips with large inlay look quite nice.
But lets face it --how many people will really need them? I think we would just be looking at ordering token amounts.
Perhaps a limited edition would be nice if up front costs are not too high.

Now if you just used those 2 non-denoms originally proposed (DkBlu/Salmon), you really cover all bases and thus allow Sidepot expanded sales potential on the 2 chips.

[Irish Se7en]

I had the opportunity but regrettably didn't jump on this group buy. That being said, I think these two additional denoms look fantastic. From the colors to the inlays they look beautiful. *Nice Chips*