Table Mountain prototype chips

jamby · #1 (**permalink**) 02-27-2006, 08:05 PM

I purchased several 25 $5 and 15 $25 chips from an ebay seller tonight. They looked fine at first glance, but when stacked I could see immediately that something was awry.

5 of the $25s and 3 of the $5s are either warped or defective on the inlay. They don't stack at all with the others and in fact wobble when attempting to do so. The inlays actually feel loose on these 8 chips when squeezed in the center while the others do not.

Has anybody experience this kind of thing before on these chips or any others? I've got a bunch of the $1 TM prototype chips that I obtained from Michael Patton at HPC that are just fine. Since these chips were never used in the actual casino and purportedly have seen no use at all I'm guessing some kind of manufacturing defect.

The seller has said they will replace the defective chips, so that is not the issue. I'm just curious about the problem.

I'd post a picture, but the problem isn't somthing that can actually be seen, but rather is noticable when felt.

Thanks,
jamby

jamby · #2 (**permalink**) 02-27-2006, 08:48 PM

Here's a pic of each just in case anybody doesn't know what chips I'm referring to.

Thanks,
jamby

jamby · #3 (**permalink**) 02-28-2006, 07:04 AM

Thanks to Jim Follis for recommending that I post this inquiry at thechipboard.com. I found out from Gene there that the Table Mountain cheques have been used repeatedly in demonstrations of a chip cleaning machine at various conventions. Apparently some have been damaged by that. I did note that these were all extemely dry.

I've got to say that those cats at thechipboard know what they're talkin' about too.

jamby

Gaming Ore · #4 (**permalink**) 02-28-2006, 07:49 PM

Gene shared with us that these Table Mountain chips are plastic coated, clay composition chips! Something new to me!

Jim (Gaming Ore) Follis

jamby · #5 (**permalink**) 03-01-2006, 11:05 AM

That's what Gene says alright, but they sure don't seem to be. I'm not an expert though and Gene is. I oiled mine last night and they are vastly improved. Not corrected, mind you, but improved. Not so sure that mineral oil would affect plastic coated chips so dramatically.
-jamby

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Originally Posted by Gaming Ore

Gene shared with us that these Table Mountain chips are plastic coated, clay composition chips! Something new to me!

Jim (Gaming Ore) Follis

Gaming Ore · #6 (**permalink**) 03-01-2006, 12:40 PM

Armor-All. Yep, thats right, Armor-All. HOWEVER, only use the original formula stuff! Do not used the extra strength tire stuff!!!!

Use a moistened towel to apply. No dipping and don't pour onto the chips. Armour-All is a plastic/rubber rejuvinator and goes on thinner than oil and attracts less dust and dirt.

Again, only use the original formula stuff.

Please note, I am not recommending that you do this, I am only suggesting that if you dead set on doing something, do the Armor-All instead of the oil.

Jim (Gaming Ore) Follis

Oldcycles · #7 (**permalink**) 03-01-2006, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaming Ore

Armor-All. Yep, thats right, Armor-All. HOWEVER, only use the original formula stuff! Do not used the extra strength tire stuff!!!!

Use a moistened towel to apply. No dipping and don't pour onto the chips. Armour-All is a plastic/rubber rejuvinator and goes on thinner than oil and attracts less dust and dirt.

Again, only use the original formula stuff.

Please note, I am not recommending that you do this, I am only suggesting that if you dead set on doing something, do the Armor-All instead of the oil.

Jim (Gaming Ore) Follis

Do not use armor all on anything.
It drys things out.
It will cause rubber to dry rot sooner than it should.

Gaming Ore · #8 (**permalink**) 03-01-2006, 05:04 PM

Well now I'll have to check this out.

Jim (Gaming Ore) Follis

Oldcycles · #9 (**permalink**) 03-01-2006, 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Gaming Ore

Well now I'll have to check this out.

Jim (Gaming Ore) Follis

Just about any motorcycle shop or antique car or bike person knows this.
Also never put it on a motorcycle seat if you want to live.

Gaming Ore · #10 (**permalink**) 03-02-2006, 02:21 PM

In follow-up to my initial response to Jamby and as commented on by oldcycles, I'd like to say the following...

First and foremost, I do not endorse the oiling chips, for any reason.

Having said that, I had recommended using Armor-All as an alternative to oiling, to which Oldcycles advised that Armor-All actually dries out a product. I am not a chemist, nor have I applied Armor-All to a chip (and certainly not oil) so I really don't have first-hand knowledge what the short and long term effects of these applications are.

I was basing my recommendation on that of well know chip collector, historian and publisher (The Official US Casino Chip Price Guide) James Campigilia, in that he has cleaned loads of chips and highly recommends Armor-All. However, he specifically recommends the Armor-All Multi-Purpose formula. (Here is a link to that recommendation: http://www.thechipboard.com/cgi-bin/...pl?read=419511 as made on thechipboard.com, in a disscussion thread about cleaning chips.

James has been doing this for quite some time and has never indicated back to the chip collecting community that Armor-All is bad for chips. But again, I am no expert and I don't use the product anyway, so allow me to retract my suggestion (as it relates to Armor-All), as I still suggest not oiling chips.

Jim (Gaming Ore) Follis