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Old 06-07-2008, 04:38 PM
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Opening new poker club - how many chips?

Thinking about opening a legit poker club (legal, half the profits going to charity), and I need lots of advice. There would basically be 3-4 tables running 1/2 NL and possibly 2/5 NL. Does anyone know around how many of each denoms I would need to order?
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Re: Opening new poker club - how many chips?

2000 $1 chips
6000 $5 chips
1000 $25 chips

$57,000 playable
Should take care of 4 $8000 1-2 tables and a $25,000 2-5 table
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Re: Opening new poker club - how many chips?

not trying to be rude, but in my opinion....if you don't know the answer to this question yourself, then you shouldn't be opening a poker room.
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Re: Opening new poker club - how many chips?

Have you considered the security of your chips? Ceramics are pretty easy to duplicate. Most custom clays can be ordered and the inlays reworked to match yours. This is not an issue a large card room should take lightly.

How would you handle a situation of a few dozen extra $25 chips that just happen to appear one day in the cage when changing out a cash drawer for the night? Just write it off as a loss for the week?

Not saying everyone is a crook, just saying you don't need everyone to be a crook, you just need to watch out for the one person who is one. If you don't have this problem addressed you shouldn't be opening the card room.




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Ask BCC: Why does it take 6-8 months when you promised 4-5 weeks? How come you didn't look at the chips before you sent them out? Why does it take 6+ months for BCC to make good on a bad order after waiting 6-8 months in the first place?
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I dont think custom ASMs would be much of a problem security wise. Ditto custom BCC, especially the giant inlay chips.
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Re: Opening new poker club - how many chips?

I'm not sure where you are located, but have you researched all the legal issues and costs of running such a place?
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I dont think custom ASMs would be much of a problem security wise. Ditto custom BCC, especially the giant inlay chips.
You sure about that? If you order custom clays, why can't I order the same color and edge spots? Inlays can be different but I can get chips that look the same in your stack of chips and if you can't see the face of the chip, you won't notice it's a fake. A rack of house $25s with 10 of the same edge spot and chip base color in the middle of the rack just cost the house $250. When is the last time the card room you played at took chips out of a rack and looked at the middle chips when you were cashing out? They look at the edge of the chips, take a chip and try to insert it into the edge to make sure each row in the rack isn't short a chip and cash you out. I can't be the only person here who brings one or two racks worth of chips to the cage when cashing out on a good night. Now multiply that by X number of tables and Y number of players in a busy card room.

One doesn't need the fake chips to pass a complete inspection, just enough to pass on a crowded table. If one wins with a hand full of fake $25 chips mixed in with real chips, great, cash out the winnings, if one loses then one only risked the act of putting them into play. During a busy night, it could be very hard to figure out who slipped them in. Remember, this isn't a friendly, everyone is your buddy or a friend of a friend game, this is a business. I'd be surprised if someone would run a business based on the idea everyone in the world is trustworthy. Security by trusting the general public seems like a bad business model for any business with significant money at stake. This is not a corn/fruit stand with a wood box to leave money in, or a take a penny leave a penny tray. This is conceivably tens of thousands of dollars changing hands every few hours.

At the end of the night, after chips have been cashed in, is when they will likely be noticed and only after management is asking why money is 'missing'. Just imagine cashing people out at the end of the night and running out of money while people still have chips left to cash in because the house now has more chips than they started with.

Not trying to promote the idea that this is a good way to live ones life. Just saying that anyone who is thinking about running a card room better consider security and why a company like Paulson is so restrictive about what they will sell to the general public.




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Here are few threads to read up on BCC: BCC NCV chips | How BCC takes care of a bad order | Warped BCC chips

Ask BCC: Why does it take 6-8 months when you promised 4-5 weeks? How come you didn't look at the chips before you sent them out? Why does it take 6+ months for BCC to make good on a bad order after waiting 6-8 months in the first place?

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Re: Opening new poker club - how many chips?

The guy said he was thinking about starting a card room for christs sakes. Yes its true, you can literally get a chip that looks like ANY chip from the side. But the point is if you catch someone doing this, then they get punished. Every casino that uses chips has this problem. That's why if you order 10,000 chips you might ask Jim Blanchard to make you a $25 chip with 814, or 418split spots. If someone is going to try to pass a rack of $5 fakes on you, hopefully you will catch them before they get thousands off you. I know what youre saying, but I dont know why you are so adamant about security being impossible to achieve. What about cameras? Security personnel? Someone looking at the $25 chips? Wouldnt you take a little extra time to check them out in a casino running mostly 1-2 with some 2-5? There are plenty of casinos that use ASM chips. I doubt they would if they were posing a significant security risk.
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