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Yet another starting stack question

alright, i'm in the middle of designing some custom ceramics and and looking to figure out the total chip quantity because cost unfortunately does matter but want it to be flexible. here is what i was thinking for a t7500 setup with 25-50 starting blinds and 24 max players;

start
12 - 25s
12 - 100s
12 - 500s

total set
300 - 25s
375 - 100s
375 - 500s
250 - 1000s
50 - 5000s

this is a total of 1350 chips which would also allow for a t10000 setup for 24 players. am i crazy or can these starting stacks be adjusted to help reduce the total chips (it seems really high) while still giving players a decent number of chips in front of them to start? thanks for the help.
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Re: Yet another starting stack question

My 2006 WSOP Matsui chip set:

240 - T25
300 - T100
240 - T500
150 - T1000
70 - T5000

T10,000 Tournament set (30 person tourney)

Starting stacks:

8 - T25
8 - T100
8 - T500
5 - T1000
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Re: Yet another starting stack question

my concern with only 8 starting chips for the denoms would leave players making change a lot. i assume this isn't the biggest deal because the typical pre-flop raise will include 100s.
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You dont have to make change that often with 8 25's unless you do silly things like call a 200raise using 8 25's rather than 2 100's. People worry about making change far far too much, seriously how hard is it to just say call and throw out a 100 or a 500 etc. and wait for the end of the betting round to get the change. Your always going to have to make change, i gave a starting stack of 20 x 25chips and people still had to make change, worry more about giving a nice blind structure. The wsop break down for 2006 of 8x25's 8x100's 8x500's and 5x1000's seems to be probably one of the best to play with.

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thanks, i will go with the 8/8/8/5 setup. this will save me quite a bit of money which will allow me to work on getting another set for a cash game.
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I agree with the 8/8/8/5 set up. You will have to make change more often than starting with 12/12 etc, but it doesn't really slow down play. It is very easy to get change from another player at the table. Use 12/12 etc only if you are not constrained in the number of chips you can purchase and your group likes to have a lot of chips on the table. My group does not like a lot of chips on the table. So 8/8 etc has been working fine for us for nearly 4 years.
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You dont have to make change that often with 8 25's unless you do silly things like call a 200raise using 8 25's rather than 2 100's. People worry about making change far far too much, seriously how hard is it to just say call and throw out a 100 or a 500 etc. and wait for the end of the betting round to get the change. Your always going to have to make change, i gave a starting stack of 20 x 25chips and people still had to make change, worry more about giving a nice blind structure. The wsop break down for 2006 of 8x25's 8x100's 8x500's and 5x1000's seems to be probably one of the best to play with.

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So right. We've found that once in a while a player gets change from his neighbor to post his blinds, but this is minimal. Most players look ahead a few hands and get change when they are low. If they're really slow, they just put out a bigger chip for their blind and make change from the pot. It's really not a big deal unless you have some jerks/table captains who want to interfere.

And we seldom see someone needing change to make/call a raise. This also isn't a general problem.

My rule of thumb is to never have more chips of the lowest denom in your starting stack -- always fewer or the same as your next denom. The middle denoms become your betting workhorses when you have decent players who know how to bet in NL.

The only times you may need more of a lower denom are (1) if you are playing limit, (2) if you have lots of limpers each hand and the custom is never to raise pre-flop (a so-called "friendly game'), or (3) if you are going to have antes.

Button Potato's chip set number are good: most of the middle denoms and a minimal number of the smallest denom. This saves you money in addition to making for a better game. Otherwise you spend good money buying small chips that will sit unused most of the game after you color them up.
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