[Maegnus]

im ordering 500 wsops from mr chip in the gb. Im having a real hard time figuring out a good high denom tourney breakdown. any suggestions?

[BigKyle]

How many players?

10 x 1,000
8 x 5,000
5 x 10,000
2 x 25,000

25 chips worth T150,000. Need to buy 200 yellow, 200 orange, 200 black, 120 red in order to accomodate 20 players.

1,000-2,000
2,000-4,000
3,000-6,000
4,000-8,000
6,000-12,000
8,000-16,000
10,000-20,000
15,000-30,000
20,000-40,000
30,000-60,000
40,000-80,000
50,000-100,000
60,000-120,000

[Chiproll]

i'd say this would be pretty straightforward if i knew what denoms you are considering, $500 & up, or $1000 & up. it makes a difference especially due to the small difference if you do choose to use $500. I'll suggest that you dont use the $500. So assuming u want a small set that can accomadate up to 12 players and say a $100,000 starting stack the breakdown i suggest is as follows:

305 x T1000
130 x T5000
50 x T25,000
15 x T100.000

This breakdown allows for full color up of the 1,000 and 5,000 chips and a starting stack of 25x1000, 5x5000 and 2x25,000. This also allows for extra chips which could be used for rebuys, replacements etc.

[Chiproll]

One more shot. This time I assume you would want to use the 10,000 chip (which is frivilous, but cool nonetheless). This breakdown allows for coloring up the 1000 chips to 5000 but you must color up the 5/10k chips together up to 25k if you would desire to do this. Again extra chips for reasons mentioned above:

250 x T1000
100 x T5000
75 x T10,000
25 x T25,000
25 x T50,000
25 x T100,000

The starting stack would be 30 chips per player for 12 players, 20 x T1000, 4 x 5000 and 6 x 10,000. As much as i hate to admit it, this breakdown does allow for more flexibility than the first and makes me question my "no need for a 10k chip rule".

For up to 25 players (no extra chips) this same set could be used for T100,000 by giving each player 16 chips as follows: 10 x T1000, 2 x T5000, 3 x T10,000 and 1 x T50,000. Again allowing for up to 25 rebuys using the 100k chip and having the players make change.

[tomb1]

Assuming (1) you want to get a bunch of the denoms (even though you don't need 5), and (2) just have some fun games -- here's what you could get with a 500 chip set. This isn't optimal, just fun....

65 x $1000
125 x $5000
140 x $10000
110 x $25000
60 x $100000
500 chips total

You can play one full table (9) of a MEELLLLION DOLLAR tournament, with big starting stacks:
5 x $1000
9 x $5000
15 x $10000
12 x $25000
5 x $100000
46 chips total

Or play 12 players with a $500,000 tournament:
5 x $1000
9 x $5000
10 x $10000
6 x $25000
2 x $100000
32 chips total

Or many more players with smaller tourneys ($100K-$250K). You really don't need the $1000s, but what the hey!

[Maegnus]

Thanks so much everyone for taking the time to crunch some #s for moi! greatly appreciated. At first I reall liked your first idea chiproll, then i kinda like the idea of more denoms just for fun. I came up with an oversimplified, probably fairly flawed breakdown, but I really wanted a starting stack of $1M, so this is what i got:
10 plrs (i never have more, and if i did, i'd make the starting stack 500k)
500 chips:
- 200 x 5k...20 each
- 150 x 10k...15 each
- 100 x 25k...10 each
- 50 x 100k...5 each

Now I know this doesnt allow for colouring up, but I'm a huge fan of towers of chips so by the end of the game I think we'd have some amazing castles goin on. Let me know if I can improve this, thanks again!

[Chiproll]

Originally Posted by Maegnus

Now I know this doesnt allow for colouring up,...

Blasphemy! Just kidding. Thats cool having towers of chips. I wouldnt really call my suggestion an improvement, but I was thinking along the lines of if you wanted to incorporate the 50k chip. This new breakdown is also "chiprack friendly". Also (not trying to be rude), but your suggested breakdown can't be divided in half so easily.

If you never anticipate having more than 10 players then great! I say go for it, no changes. However if your awesome chip stacks make your home tournament a local legend, and you might want to accomadate more players sometime down the road, you could do this breakdown:

160 x 5,000...16/8 chips per
120 x 10,000...12/6 chips per
160 x 25,000...16/8 chips per
40 x 50,000...4/2 chips per
20 x 100k...2/1 chips per

1million/500K...50/25 chips per

Like i said i don't really think of this as an improvement, just a reinterpretation. I doubt you or your group would be unhappy with any of these. Don't forget to email me for your next game when the chips come in, .

[Maegnus]

Originally Posted by Chiproll

Blasphemy! Just kidding. Thats cool having towers of chips. I wouldnt really call my suggestion an improvement, but I was thinking along the lines of if you wanted to incorporate the 50k chip. This new breakdown is also "chiprack friendly". Also (not trying to be rude), but your suggested breakdown can't be divided in half so easily.

If you never anticipate having more than 10 players then great! I say go for it, no changes. However if your awesome chip stacks make your home tournament a local legend, and you might want to accomadate more players sometime down the road, you could do this breakdown:

160 x 5,000...16/8 chips per
120 x 10,000...12/6 chips per
160 x 25,000...16/8 chips per
40 x 50,000...4/2 chips per
20 x 100k...2/1 chips per

1million/500K...50/25 chips per

Like i said i don't really think of this as an improvement, just a reinterpretation. I doubt you or your group would be unhappy with any of these. Don't forget to email me for your next game when the chips come in, .

I like this a lot, what if i wiped out the 50k chip ( like the 06 wsop) and got 60 100ks instead, then in the breakdown each person got 4 100ks and that leaves 20 for colouring up down the road.

[tomb1]

Originally Posted by Maegnus

Thanks so much everyone for taking the time to crunch some #s for moi! greatly appreciated. At first I reall liked your first idea chiproll, then i kinda like the idea of more denoms just for fun. I came up with an oversimplified, probably fairly flawed breakdown, but I really wanted a starting stack of $1M, so this is what i got:
10 plrs (i never have more, and if i did, i'd make the starting stack 500k)
500 chips:
- 200 x 5k...20 each
- 150 x 10k...15 each
- 100 x 25k...10 each
- 50 x 100k...5 each

Now I know this doesnt allow for colouring up, but I'm a huge fan of towers of chips so by the end of the game I think we'd have some amazing castles goin on. Let me know if I can improve this, thanks again!

I'm with ya on the towering stacks, but you probably want to get it down to just 3 (or even 2) denoms at the end. Otherwise the lowest chips just get pushed back and forth when somebody goes all in... the stacks get pushed over... you waste time counting out... slows down the game... etc.

I also have a suggestion: start with fewer of your lower denom and more of your next/middle denoms. What we've found after lots of NL tourneys is that your lower denoms just get wasted after the first few rounds. Most people will use the $5Ks for blinds and limping, but the serious betting uses the $10Ks and $25Ks. Then you just have big stacks of expensive small chips sitting around, or players take too much time counting out all the $5Ks. If you color up your $5Ks, you have all those chips just sitting out for 80% of the tourney.

Better to buy fewer $5Ks and make the starting amount smaller, and then for the same real money you can buy more larger denoms -- for color-ups and/or more players. You get more Tournament Dollars per Real Dollar this way.

For example, your players might be much happier with 10x$5K and 20x$10K instead. Buy fewer $5Ks and more $25Ks and $100Ks in the same size set -- you can buy 100/250/100/50 or something like that.

[EDIT] -- yes Chiproll and others, if you are using antes then you want to keep your small chips longer. We don't use antes, but we don't have games > 20-25 players or so.

[Chiproll]

I've got a blind schedule for you that would actually legitimize having all those small denom chips towards the endgame using antes. If your not a big fan of antes, you could easily just leave them out, but the antes do give a purpose to keeping around those smaller value (5k/10k) chips later on. (I can't believe i referred to 5k/10k chips as "smaller value")

SB-BB-Ante

5000-10000-0 30 mins
10000-20000-0 30 mins
15000-30000-0 20 mins
20000-40000-5000 20 mins
25000-50000-5000 20 mins
30000-60000-10000 15 mins
40000-80000-10000 15 mins
50000-100000-15000 15 mins
60000-120000-15000 15 mins
80000-160000-20000 10 mins
100000-200000-20000 10 mins
125000-250000-25000 10 mins
150000-300000-30000 10 mins
200000-400000-40000 10 mins
250000-500000-50000 10 mins
300000-600000-60000 15 mins
400000-800000-80000 15 mins
500000-1000000-100000 this should suffice to end it!