Etiquette Questions

[bergs]

1) You are 3 or 4 ways on the flop and after the betting you end up HU with another live player. The other players are all-in after the flop betting. The other live player asks if you want to check it down. How do you normally respond? Got asked this in a big 3 way hand at Mohegan Sun and wanted to leave my options open with top pair, best kicker, and nut flush draw. My answer came out "Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh".

2) You have a nice stack of chips working and another player sits down and wants to color you up to get a playable stack, or wants to give you bills for chips (and bills play at this table). What do you normally do? I've colored people up when asked and immediately regretted it. Is there a way to say "No" without annoying people?

Also, silly question but a coworker here just brought it up - what's the likelihood that you get passed a bad c-note at a casino? Is counterfeit bills really that prevalent? He seemed to believe it was, and I've honestly never thought about it.

[courage]

1. No chance I'm checking down with that hand. Gonna bet small and build side pot. Who acts first? What's flop texture? If he's so eager to check it down and a broadway gutshot is out there, tough luck, buddy, I'm betting.

2. Hard to say no. Maybe you can say "chips only, just paranoid about bills" and limit your audience.

Originally Posted by rhbergman

1) You are 3 or 4 ways on the flop and after the betting you end up HU with another live player. The other players are all-in after the flop betting. The other live player asks if you want to check it down. How do you normally respond? Got asked this in a big 3 way hand at Mohegan Sun and wanted to leave my options open with top pair, best kicker, and nut flush draw. My answer came out "Ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh".

2) You have a nice stack of chips working and another player sits down and wants to color you up to get a playable stack, or wants to give you bills for chips (and bills play at this table). What do you normally do? I've colored people up when asked and immediately regretted it. Is there a way to say "No" without annoying people?

Also, silly question but a coworker here just brought it up - what's the likelihood that you get passed a bad c-note at a casino? Is counterfeit bills really that prevalent? He seemed to believe it was, and I've honestly never thought about it.

[robinnh]

To me, saying yes to 1 is actually collusion if there are other all in players in the hand. I'd respond, "We're not heads up, we can't make that deal."

2. say no, and make a claim about superstition. Don't they have cages and dealers for this stuff?

[abby99]

Originally Posted by robinnh

To me, saying yes to 1 is actually collusion if there are other all in players in the hand. I'd respond, "We're not heads up, we can't make that deal."

2. say no, and make a claim about superstition. Don't they have cages and dealers for this stuff?

^^^^^ This and this. Exactly what I was going to write but Rob beat me to it. Re #2, gamblers of all people respect superstitions -- it's the perfect excuse to hang on to your chipes or turn down whatever else the request might be.

Call me paranoid, but I wouldn't accept bills from other players. Counterfeits do get passed, and hopefully they're checked by the cashier before being paid out to players. "I'm superstitious about touching somebody else's money, it's always brought me bad luck" should work.

[JM]

#1 - definitely feels like collusion to the guy who is all in and can't act. I don't think it actually is collusion unless the two HU know each other or something but the perception would make me want to leave that table.

#2 - If I've built up a big stack of chips and someone sits down and wants to play, I don't want the dealer taking time to pull in the bills, count out chips, etc when I can give them a stack while the dealer is doing their thing and we can just keep playing. I'm not worried about counterfeit since I can always give it to the dealer for chips like that guy was going to do. They don't look at anything other than the number on it anyway. I've never seen a counterfeit attempt to be passed (and get caught) at any table at any casino I've ever played at. It would have to be a very bad counterfeit to get caught.

[wagsgt]

#1- If that happens at my local casino it cancels the bad beat jackpot

[JeromyinWV]

Checking it down is cool. Saying "we should check it down is not". Sounds like collusion to me. It is understood unless you have a big hand you should check, but you never say it. As far as 2, I've given people chips to get started until the chip runner gets back so they don't miss the blind. etc. I have taken cash for chips as I was leaving the table, but I don't think cash played.

[GameShaman]

Originally Posted by JM

#1 - definitely feels like collusion to the guy who is all in and can't act. I don't think it actually is collusion unless the two HU know each other or something but the perception would make me want to leave that table.

It feels like it because it is. Even though the other 2 players are all-in, their hands are active, not dead. It is collusion. This will get you a penalty or ejected from a tournament if they really don't like you, .

Originally Posted by JM

#2 - If I've built up a big stack of chips and someone sits down and wants to play, I don't want the dealer taking time to pull in the bills, count out chips, etc when I can give them a stack while the dealer is doing their thing and we can just keep playing. I'm not worried about counterfeit since I can always give it to the dealer for chips like that guy was going to do. They don't look at anything other than the number on it anyway. I've never seen a counterfeit attempt to be passed (and get caught) at any table at any casino I've ever played at. It would have to be a very bad counterfeit to get caught.

Yeah, I agree, I always sell chips at the table. I love having a thick stack of 100's in front of me at the table. Personal preference I guess. But yeah, the superstition line works well if you prefer chips to cash.

I've also never had any issue at the table with counterfeit notes. And since the dealers will often ask new players to get chips from people with mounds at the table, it could be argued that it is the casinos responsibility to pay off the counterfeit and go after the person than passed it, rather than going after you.

~Jeff

[EmptyPocs]

1) checkdown: usually its unspoken (you usually feel the intent anyhow when its needed); if actually asked, I seriously think I'd ignore him, not even acknowledge I heard the question (then probly bet )
2) (he should have had a playable stack when he sat?) "you have to get them from the dealer" is all I'd say.
Play dumb, newb unwilling, even if anyone else but the dealer says it's ok.

[JM]

Originally Posted by GameShaman

It feels like it because it is. Even though the other 2 players are all-in, their hands are active, not dead. It is collusion. This will get you a penalty or ejected from a tournament if they really don't like you, .

Key word in your statement is TOURNAMENT. In a tournament this is absolutely collusion, but this was a cash game and its not collusion in that case because everyone in a tournament has a stake based on the chips in play. Cash game you can always add on or walk away with your chips, so its different.