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Frequency for bluffs hi vs lo stake

Anyone have any idea of ratio between bluff at a low stake game (below 4/8 vs hi stake game (say above (10/20)?

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Re: Frequency for bluffs hi vs lo stake

I have no idea what the numbers are. Would be interesting. (if anyone has even been able to collect / document the numbers)

My guess, (based on personal theory of having a profitable game) would be:

4/8 = 0%
10/20 or greater = 8 to 10% (includes cold bluffs and semi)

My guess would also be that these numbers are higher in an unstructured game (No Limit)
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Re: Frequency for bluffs hi vs lo stake

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Anyone have any idea of ratio between bluff at a low stake game (below 4/ vs hi stake game (say above (10/20)?
i would guess the numbers would be the same. people who play 4/8 play that limit because that's all they can afford to play. people who play 10/20 play that limit cause they can afford to. so the betting is the same. its just diffrent numbers/values on the chips.
bluffing ration should be the same i would guess.
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Re: Frequency for bluffs hi vs lo stake

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i would guess the numbers would be the same. people who play 4/8 play that limit because that's all they can afford to play. people who play 10/20 play that limit cause they can afford to. so the betting is the same. its just diffrent numbers/values on the chips.
bluffing ration should be the same i would guess.
One reason a 4/8 player can't build a roll to play 10/20 is skill. You can't bluff a donkey and there are simply more lesser skilled players at 4/8. I have no idea about numbers though.
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Re: Frequency for bluffs hi vs lo stake

i think it's also a matter of max buyin caps/stack sizes and not only of the blinds (for NL games).

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like the hand at HSP were Phil Ivey laid down kings vs Brad Booth. a move like that maybe wouldn't work against a 50-100k stack.
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i think it's also a matter of max buyin caps/stack sizes and not only of the blinds (for NL games).

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like the hand at HSP were Phil Ivey laid down kings vs Brad Booth. a move like that maybe wouldn't work against a 50-100k stack.
but mr. brad booth would have never made that move if mr phil ivey only had 50-100K stack. that whole hand was already played out in brads head way before it even got to him when phil ivey made the initial raise.
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One reason a 4/8 player can't build a roll to play 10/20 is skill. You can't bluff a donkey and there are simply more lesser skilled players at 4/8. I have no idea about numbers though.
Similar to my thinking.
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Re: Frequency for bluffs hi vs lo stake

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Similar to my thinking.
that's not necessarly true. alot of good players play the 4/8 game cause that's all that's available to them. i know of a few players who don't have a large bankroll and they play the 3-6 and 4-8 game and are very good. actually they are better in the 4-8 game then they are at the 10-20 game. they build a bankroll and move up to the 10-20 game and loose it all. then they come back to the 4-8 game and do it all over again.
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Re: Frequency for bluffs hi vs lo stake

I agree that there are good players at the lower level but the percentage of good players to bad players tend to increase as the stakes get higher. I would think that there are players at the lower level that are better than many that play at the higher stakes.
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Re: Frequency for bluffs hi vs lo stake

I don't agree with this at all. If you can't beat the bad how do you beat the good?

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