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07-20-2007, 08:55 PM
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This is a problem with some players at the game I host. If someone says "if you bet I am going to raise," should that be binding? |
07-20-2007, 09:05 PM
|  | Dead Money | | Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: 6487 miles east of Olympic Stadium Age: 41
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| | | Re: If U bet, I will raise
I think so.
Otherwise they could be trying to unfairly influence a player.
If it is your turn betting and say raise, the raise stands.
Otherwise you could penalize them for playing out of turn.
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07-21-2007, 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by dad604  This is a problem with some players at the game I host. If someone says "if you bet I am going to raise," should that be binding? | I hate this type of Jamie-Gold-type garbage table-talk. This particular type of talk should be disallowed. While Robert's Rules of Poker for Home Games is not perfect, it is pretty good. In Section 1, under the heading Poker Etiquette:
" The following actions are improper, and grounds for warning, suspending, or barring a violator:
...Making statements or taking action that could unfairly influence the course of play, whether or not the offender is involved in the pot...
If you want to use this rule, announce that you are using Robert's Rules of Poker for home games as your standard set of rules, and have a copy ready when this guy tries to do this again. Warn him the first time (away from the other players if you can), then get harsher. |
07-21-2007, 06:39 AM
|  | World Series Champ | | Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Madison, WI Age: 25
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| | | Re: If U bet, I will raise
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Originally Posted by dad604 This is a problem with some players at the game I host. If someone says "if you bet I am going to raise," should that be binding? | I'm not sure if I'd make him stick to his word, but I agree with ipgyst. This kind of $hit would not sit well with me. |
07-21-2007, 07:06 AM
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| | | Re: If U bet, I will raise
I think if the two players are heads up, then its fine. But if more players are involved then it unfairly affects the game.
As an example, with three players in the hand, and action on player A, player C announces 'if you bet I will raise'. Player A bets, and player B is now unfairly influenced. It could be considered team playing.
But if heads up, then no problem. |
07-21-2007, 07:19 AM
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Originally Posted by HappyCat I think if the two players are heads up, then its fine. But if more players are involved then it unfairly affects the game.
As an example, with three players in the hand, and action on player A, player C announces 'if you bet I will raise'. Player A bets, and player B is now unfairly influenced. It could be considered team playing.
But if heads up, then no problem. | Even heads up I think this is shady and should not be allowed. The opponent is still unfairly influenced by the comment IMO. |
07-21-2007, 07:38 AM
|  | Final Table | | Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Preston, UK Age: 35
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| | | Re: If U bet, I will raise
I can see your points and it depends on your home game. But for me a home game is a laugh and trash talking whether in a pot or not is almost encouraged!
It is worrying though as they seem to have an uncanny knack between of accurately shouting - Raise him he's got nothing/bluffing and oooh Gav must have something or else he wouldn't bet!
Damn there must be a big hole in my home game! |
07-21-2007, 08:19 AM
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| | | Re: If U bet, I will raise
I think the statement is fine providing:
1. Action is heads up
2. The person making the statement had been asked something by the person with the action. ("You got Aces?" "What are you gonna do if I XXXXX", etc.)
3. The person making the statement has the action, in which case can say just about anything. |
07-21-2007, 09:23 AM
|  | World Series Champ | | Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Age: 31
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Originally Posted by links_slayer Even heads up I think this is shady and should not be allowed. The opponent is still unfairly influenced by the comment IMO. | Agree. Especially if the player doesn't follow through. At a minimum it is angle shooting. Between the right two players it could be collusion. Most games use Robert's Rules. I would tell my players to read it. I hate crap like this so I would not even give a warning. Penalty on the first offense. If they b!tch, tell them they should have read the rules. Second offense, even if in a game a week or two later, kick them the hell out. Did I mention I hate crap like this?
I see stuff like this more often as I deal. The player turnover rate has been going up lately. It is not my game so I can't eject players. So far a warning has been enough. |
07-21-2007, 09:49 AM
|  | Big Stack | | Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland
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| | | Re: If U bet, I will raise
I think it depends on your game. A small friendly sociable game between friends only - like I play in, such trash talking is common place, though we do try to limit it to reduce the influence on play. If your game is open to a wider group though, you need some rules I'd say one to prevent this would be on that list. |
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