[Se7enCardStud]

I am not sure if there is such a thing, but I had some thoughts and wanted to see if some of you felt the same way.

I was looking at all the New Yorker Auctions and some other poker chip auctions and wanted to see what some of you thought about maybe a standard in how photos are used on the cover graphic in eBay auctions. I am only really talking about the cover graphic that is seen when doing a search. I see nothing wrong with the other graphics to help promote other items or other auction. I do this myself. This gives you more for your ebay money.

Before someone responds, please understand that this post is not trying to call anyone out for any one particular auction. I am just thinking that this will help all of us find exactly what we need by looking through the original search listing.

I think that for the cover graphic people should show exactly what the order is. If the auction is for 100 chips the should either put a large clear picture of 1 of the 100 chips so the buyer can see what chip they are bidding on or they should put a picture of 100 chips on the cover graphic. If the auction is for a sample set it should have one featured chip from the sample set or the complete sample set in the photo. If the auction is for 10 chips put a picture of 10 chips. If the auction is for 50 chips put a picture of 50 chips.

I know this taking a picture every time you ant to do a different auction can be a bit tedious, but I think it should be the way to do it. I am a buyer as well as a seller and I know that I like when someone clearly puts pictures that shows exactly what I am getting for the cover graphic. I know that I do not like to see a picture with chips in the photo that are not in the auction. I think this should not happen. I think that having a clearer image in the cover graphic can help quicken the search process and find better what you are looking for.

I have seen auctions in the past with a confusing picture and where everything is fairly clearly written, but it takes me a longer time then I like trying to figure out exactly what the auction is for. Most of the people that do not have the best picture are very honest sellers and are really not trying to mislead anyone. I think they just do not want to take the time to take new pictures every day. All I can say is that when I am doing a shoot of pictures for an auction and everything is set up I take a ton of them while I have everything set up so that I can get almost all I need while I am in the process of taking photos anyway.

There is one person in particular with the vineyards that will put a picture of complete sets of them and then have an auction for three non-cash value chips that are in the bottom left of the photo (almost hidden). This is not good at all. I don't know who that is, but they need to be called out. I am sure some of you know who that is. I cannot recall at this time. might be joker poker, but I am not sure.

I just think that this would help all of us search for what we want faster. The picture does help you see what you are bidding on. I think a good majority of the sellers do this so this is not a knock on the majority.

Remember, I am not trying to point anyone or any auction in particular out here. All I am doing is making a general statement to see what people here think.

[noelsarchs]

Remember first that it costs money to add pictures.

Second re the Vineyards, that is and was absolutely misleading and he knows it but didn't care. And then when he was asked about the quantity, etc. he just blew people off with his responses. BTW, jokerpoker has listed his "domain name" for sale for a nice little fee of $5000 !) No chips included though.

With my auctions, I try to show the gallery picture with the one that shows the best of the chip, whether it's the individual chips or a set. But the set pictures just don't look good as a gallery photo in some cases. I also make it very very clear in my auctions which chips are or are not included.

[Se7enCardStud]

The cost for an extra pic or 2 is nominal. As you know I list plenty on ebay and put the few extra on there for my auctions. I am not trying to tell anyone what to do. I just wanted to see what other people think.

My original statement says clearly that "most people, like you, are honest listers." You clearly state what is in the auction, I have looked at plenty of them to know you are not misleading anyone. It just helps the buyer to find clearly what they are looking tor. For the record this was not at all targeted at you or any of your listings. I was looking at New Yorkers at the time of writing this.

I don't like seeing a picture of 10 chips and finding out that it is for 1 chip. I do not think that I can be very wrong in making that statement. That is the whole original post in a nutshell.

I don't mind pointing joker out at all. We all know joker is just trying to snag any buyer at all. Just like fishing with dynamite.

Originally Posted by noelsarchs

Remember first that it costs money to add pictures.

Second re the Vineyards, that is and was absolutely misleading and he knows it but didn't care. And then when he was asked about the quantity, etc. he just blew people off with his responses. BTW, jokerpoker has listed his "domain name" for sale for a nice little fee of $5000 !) No chips included though.

With my auctions, I try to show the gallery picture with the one that shows the best of the chip, whether it's the individual chips or a set. But the set pictures just don't look good as a gallery photo in some cases. I also make it very very clear in my auctions which chips are or are not included.

[jamby]

Great post Se7en. I couldn't agree more. The cover/main graphic should be exactly what is included in the auction and it should be a clear photo, nothing more and nothing less. If I have to spend too much time trying to discern just what is included in an auction, I pass right away. It's not only a waste of time on my part, but I find the practices you describe in your opening posts misleading - intentionally or not.

-jamby

Originally Posted by Se7enCardStud

I think that for the cover graphic people should show exactly what the order is.

[Se7enCardStud]

Just a quick follow up. Here are a couple of current auctions that are perfectly described in both the picture and in the wording. I think this helps greatly in letting people know exaclty what it is the seller is selling at a glance.

Here are a few listings that I would say are perfect and to the point:

http://cgi.ebay.com/100-x-2-50-Presi...QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/10-1000-PAULSON-...QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/2-1000-PAULSON-N...QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/10-Paulson-500-P...QQcmdZViewItem

These are just a couple of the ones that I think are very clear from the picture and the photo. With both the picture and the title you get the whole picture of what the auction is for. I think it is good to list them as primary or secondary as well.

Quick note to Noelarchs: This is much easier to do with small amounts of chips. When you are listing an entire set of chips, it can be more difficult then 1, 5, 10, & 100 chip auctions. So I know where you are coming from in regards to some of your auctions. Your auctions do not quite fit what this post was designed for. The listings I am talking about are much more simplified as far as what the buyer is selling.

I am not going to point out any auctions that I don't like. i think we can figure out which ones those are.

[JM]

I agree completely. There's more than a few on there that show for instance a set of about 200+ chips with $1000s in it that only includes something like 88 chips with no 1000s. The joker is the WORST of the bunch for this.

He recently had an auction that was supposedly a complete set of vineyards. He PROMINENTLY showed a closeup of the $500 chip which as you know is extremely rare. It was also used as the gallery picture for this 'set' he was selling. In another picture in that auction he showed a stack of them as well, yet there wasn't a single on included! He didn't say this anywhere in the auction, just said what was included. Now technically, that was accurate, but it was TOTALLY misleading and I called him on it.

I asked why he did that and he said it was just 'salesmanship' and wasn't misleading since his description was accurate. I wrote back and explained to him that is was completely misleading and he knows it or he wouldn't make that chip the first thing anyone doing a search would see. He finally added a line in there saying that there were no $500s included, but left the pictures and everything else as is. You would have to read the whole thing carefully to discover this.

Personally I hate sellers like this. There's salesmanship and there's misleading/fraudulent and anyone with a better than room temperature IQ knows the difference when they are making their auction page. Saying things like 'rare', 'sold out', etc. is fine and part of the sell, but posting pictures 'as reference' is not right and shouldn't be done unless its secondary to what the actual item is and the auction clearly states that those other things are not included.

[noelsarchs]

7...I know you weren't referring to my auctions. I would not be able to live in peace here if you guys caught me doing something shaddy anyway....

Now, I am a bit unsure of how to best get the following information out to you all, but as some know, I've been having some great difficulty with the USPS as many of you didn't get your priority mail sent chips for at least 3 weeks.

But I am now under a paypal reversal of a substantial amount (well over $500) of money because two buyers in the UK filed saying they have not received their chips....I am suspecting that there is potential buyer fraud here now that I've looked into this further. There were four sales to two buyers in 4 auctions, one week apart with 3 separate mailings. I sent the packages out on two different weekends and didn't notice that there was something similar until today.

What's worst of all is that I have tracking numbers but the USPS cannot track a package once it leaves this country???? How stupid in this computer age to even think that's possible.

After over 400 sales on ebay in the past 6 years, how does the post office lose 3 shipments in one week to the same general location when shipped in a very well packaged and USPS Global Priority boxes and envelops??

They both live in the same small UK area, both have now listed their ebay account with private feedback, and one of them is showing now a number of negatives within the past month.

I think they are in collusion to steal and when I find out for sure, I'm going to post their names all over the internet. For now, I don't want to go too far out on the limb with these guys.

Both are from the UK.

That was the money i was using to finance my new ASM chips and I'm really pi**ed off.

[Harlequin011]

Hey guys.

Where do we put the RARE UNC MINT!!!!!1111?


Does anyone actually search on these anymore?

[Se7enCardStud]

I never really bother searching rare because for some reason rare seems to common when the seller gets to use the term. Now mint and uncirculated are helpfull.

Do we really need to hear "MINT" when it comes to the New Yorkers. I think what would be more helpful is if they were not mint. I think that would be something we would like to know. That is different.

I love when someone lists New Yorker $25 chips as rare. That cracks me up. I am thinking to myself "does this person think that when someone puts New Yorker in the Search that their auction will be the only one that appears?"

I really try to be judicious when hyping the items that I list. I want people to know that I shoot pretty strait. I do hype a little myself. Don't get me wrong, you have to hype a little. There is nothing wrong with that. I just try not to go overboard myself.

Originally Posted by Harlequin011

Hey guys.

Where do we put the RARE UNC MINT!!!!!1111?


Does anyone actually search on these anymore?

[JM]

Oh man, that sucks Michael! You sent them insured right? They should be able to trace them that way. And the customs info is traceable to see if /when it left customs. You should be able to get somewhere with them.

Originally Posted by noelsarchs

7...I know you weren't referring to my auctions. I would not be able to live in peace here if you guys caught me doing something shaddy anyway....

Now, I am a bit unsure of how to best get the following information out to you all, but as some know, I've been having some great difficulty with the USPS as many of you didn't get your priority mail sent chips for at least 3 weeks.

But I am now under a paypal reversal of a substantial amount (well over $500) of money because two buyers in the UK filed saying they have not received their chips....I am suspecting that there is potential buyer fraud here now that I've looked into this further. There were four sales to two buyers in 4 auctions, one week apart with 3 separate mailings. I sent the packages out on two different weekends and didn't notice that there was something similar until today.

What's worst of all is that I have tracking numbers but the USPS cannot track a package once it leaves this country???? How stupid in this computer age to even think that's possible.

After over 400 sales on ebay in the past 6 years, how does the post office lose 3 shipments in one week to the same general location when shipped in a very well packaged and USPS Global Priority boxes and envelops??

They both live in the same small UK area, both have now listed their ebay account with private feedback, and one of them is showing now a number of negatives within the past month.

I think they are in collusion to steal and when I find out for sure, I'm going to post their names all over the internet. For now, I don't want to go too far out on the limb with these guys, but one has a name that starts with "collecta...." and the other "pingp...."

Both are from the UK.

That was the money i was using to finance my new ASM chips and I'm really pi**ed off.