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Originally Posted by Rich G I thought that 10BB/hr was high, but after thinking back my last few months it seems to be at the least what to shoot for and attainable. I play very tight and I am unable to play more than about 4 hours any week usually 2 hours at a time after work. Playing very TAG my wins are at average $50-70 per 2/hr session and losses average about $50 per same session. Winning sessions are about 3:1 on the plus side. Average about $20 /hr win rate at the 1/2 NL. 10 BB per hours. You guess is right on.
My issue is record keeping. I'm leery of writing down gambling wins/losses. Paraniod about it falling into the wrong hands (wife). Not to jack your thread but do you keep paper records or have software to keep track? If so what. |
Why be paranoid about it if you're averaging 10BB/hr? Not meaning to attack you specifically, but I've found that a lot of fellow poker players have a problem being honest with themselves- i.e. people who say that they're "about breaking even" when they're really pissing money, albeit slowly. A lot of them think they're really playing breakeven poker. You "win" avg 50-70/session, but lose ~50. This could mean so many different things. You could be running + OR - 10BB/hr! Is this before you factor in tokes and table rates?
I don't think the numbers can lie here:
Everyone has a session where they win a few buyins and that gives us the feeling that we're making substantially more overall than we might actually be- especially when not accounting for tips, rake, and cardroom hourly rates.
The players at B&M casinos for sure are worse than online players today, but 10BB/hr long term seems outrageous. You're playing probably 20% as many hands as you would online where you probably run 4BB/hr? (let's call it 3.3 for simplicity's sake).
Do we really think that the play is SO bad that it not only makes the average winning player earn roughly 3x more/ hr, playing 1/5 of the hands they'd be playing online? If this is all true you can expect to make 15x as much BB/100 live as online. I mean, the players ARE usually terrrrrible, but crap. 15 is a huge factor. We all run bad at some point too. We all will have a session where we sit down, get sucked out on a 250BB pot, buy in again and get cold decked (or some variation of this..). 10BB/hr isn't unattainable because of the lack of a skill edge that would allow that winrate, but because of variance.