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Old 11-01-2007, 09:37 PM
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Re: Win rate at NLHE

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Originally Posted by Rich G View Post
I thought that 10BB/hr was high, but after thinking back my last few months it seems to be at the least what to shoot for and attainable. I play very tight and I am unable to play more than about 4 hours any week usually 2 hours at a time after work. Playing very TAG my wins are at average $50-70 per 2/hr session and losses average about $50 per same session. Winning sessions are about 3:1 on the plus side. Average about $20 /hr win rate at the 1/2 NL. 10 BB per hours. You guess is right on.

My issue is record keeping. I'm leery of writing down gambling wins/losses. Paraniod about it falling into the wrong hands (wife). Not to jack your thread but do you keep paper records or have software to keep track? If so what.
Why be paranoid about it if you're averaging 10BB/hr? Not meaning to attack you specifically, but I've found that a lot of fellow poker players have a problem being honest with themselves- i.e. people who say that they're "about breaking even" when they're really pissing money, albeit slowly. A lot of them think they're really playing breakeven poker. You "win" avg 50-70/session, but lose ~50. This could mean so many different things. You could be running + OR - 10BB/hr! Is this before you factor in tokes and table rates?

I don't think the numbers can lie here:

Everyone has a session where they win a few buyins and that gives us the feeling that we're making substantially more overall than we might actually be- especially when not accounting for tips, rake, and cardroom hourly rates.

The players at B&M casinos for sure are worse than online players today, but 10BB/hr long term seems outrageous. You're playing probably 20% as many hands as you would online where you probably run 4BB/hr? (let's call it 3.3 for simplicity's sake).

Do we really think that the play is SO bad that it not only makes the average winning player earn roughly 3x more/ hr, playing 1/5 of the hands they'd be playing online? If this is all true you can expect to make 15x as much BB/100 live as online. I mean, the players ARE usually terrrrrible, but crap. 15 is a huge factor. We all run bad at some point too. We all will have a session where we sit down, get sucked out on a 250BB pot, buy in again and get cold decked (or some variation of this..). 10BB/hr isn't unattainable because of the lack of a skill edge that would allow that winrate, but because of variance.
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