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Re: Omaha: Help!

here's my Omaha feelings....

play combo hands

A)a hand with straight and flush possibilities
B)big pairs with a suited ace

hands like AQ-JT double-suited, AK-Q-J, AT-98, A9-JJ are good hands to see flops with. semi-bluff whenever possible, it's generally incorrect to check-call with a huge draw.

say you have Ah8h-Jc9c, you've limped in seat 6 in 9-handed play, the table is fairly weak and loose.

flop comes J-4-7 with two hearts, you have a gutshot draw, top pair and a draw to the nuts. if you check-call, you will often end up missing your draw and folding to a big turn bet vs a weak player who is semi-bluffing with Qh-Xh FD.

if you lead and take command of the hand, you may drive out a bad two pair, or a better straight draw---like 58-9-A with no flush draw

don't raise pre-flop, unless you're going to fight to see a flop.

example, don't come in raising with AK-Q-5 and then get repopped by a weak maniac holding AT8-8.

you will often be better limping and then calling a raise to see if you can flop a big draw. the more you raise pre-flop, in a loose game filled with bad players, the bigger the pot is pre-flop. which means you'll have to get luckier on the flop than everyone else and with a big pot built, you create incentive for over-aggressive players to steal.

example, you raise with AA-3-K because you got excited to see two aces.

the flop comes J68 rainbow, it's .10/.25 PL, you raised to .75 and got four callers.

that ugly flop comes down and now SB (who has shown absolutely no skill to this point whatsoever) leads out for a pot-sized bet of $4.25, what on earth do you do now?

you fold 100% of the time, you can't beat J6, J8, 66, 88, JJ...a hand like Q7-9-T now has 16 outs....3 queens, 4 fives, 3 tens, 3 nines, 3 sevens

for all you know, he could have KK and is too stupid to realize you came in raising with AA or possibly AJ-K-J

when you miss the flop in Omaha, be prepared to fold to suicide lead-outs all day long.

especially if you raised in middle position...you can't flat-call with four people left to act behind you, even if you know you still have the lead-out player beaten, because you have no idea what will happen behind you.

if I was going to give someone basic notes for pot-limit and fixed-limit Omaha-high, I'd give them some of these keys:

1) see flops cheaply and hope to flop big draws, suited aces with straight connectors, high pairs with suited connects---QQ-KJ, KK-AJ, JJ-AQ

2)if you don't spike a set with an overpair to the board and a fairly competent player makes a bet, assume it's a set or top two, or pairs with a draw...then fold your hand with no remorse

2) don't be over-calling as a third wheel with a garbage flush after the river.

board is 2c 9s 3h 4c 6c, if player 1 leads and player 2 calls, don't call with Jc-Tc, you're third wheel, you can't 5c-7c, you can't beat Ac, Qc, Kc, you have the 5th best hand for the board, dump it without hesitation 90% of the time

3) don't make "keepin them honest calls"

don't call on a flush/straight board with multiple opponents left to act unless you have the near nuts.

the board is 4K358, SB leads out and you're BB with K8-xx and there are two players left to act behind you. if someone leads into three players on the river, give them credit for the 6-7 and nut straight. if no one has shown any interest in a pot the whole way and it's checked to the river, then they make a pot-sized lead out, don't over-call with top two pair, dump your hand.

4) don't reraise late in the action with 3rd or 4th best full house, unless you have a great read on an opponent.

66TK4 board (example)

someone bet out on the flop, you have AJ-64 and decide to smooth-call, they bet on the turn again, you call again.

on the river, you fill up, you do not reraise here, even if your opponent is a maniac. you can't beat 6T, 6K, TT, KK

if you reraise the river with sixes over fours, then you're a complete fish.

5) everyone's going to tell you not to overplay K-high flush draws, but in my 200,000 to 300,000 hands of PLO, I've paid off an A-high flush with a K-high flush less than ten times

you shouldn't be playing a one-way draw in the first place. if you have a set or straight draw to go along with a K-high flush, then it's fine to be building a pot on the flop and turn, but if you get a big reraise on the end, you can lay it down when someone telegraphs they have the A with a big reraise

it doesn't take a genius to realize the guy flat-calling as the 3rd wheel, who brings in a big raise on the end, only when the flush card comesl, is holding the ace.

the key to Omaha is being aware of the current nuts, being aware of how you're perceived and playing a huge draw just like a made hand to throw your opponents off. if they can't read where you're at; when you hit, you're going to get huge pots.

just because everyone got four cards, doesn't mean the player holding the ace has a suited card to make a flush possible. it doesn't mean the A isn't in the burns or the deck. if you flop a SD/FD combo hand, I advise you to bet on the come.

if your flush card comes on the turn and there's a bet and a reraise behind you, then you can dump your K. the person with the ace will reveal they have the ace.

here's my summary on the K-high flush

*playing a K-high flush draw OOP in multi-way action with no back-up is suicide.
*dumping a K-high flush draw with two pair or a straight draw is idiotic.
*betting out with a rivered K-high flush draw vs two or more opponets is often incorrect, but if you never play a K-high flush, you're going to lose out on a lot of opportunities to bleed dollars out of weaker flushes, straights, and sets.
*the smaller the field, the less likely someone holds the A-high flush, you just need to be cautious, play smart positional poker, and trust your reads.

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if you can read situations, you have a firm respect for position, have a solid general poker IQ, then Omaha's going to be a fun and profitable game for you. with four down cards, you're going to see more flops and you're going to see more action.

beats in Omaha will be much more brutal than beats in hold'em

example:

you hold KsQs-Kh2h, it's 5-handed play and you call an utg raise pre-flop from the SB...flop comes Kc 4c 7s, you lead out and get reraised, you surmise you're up against the AcXc and you call the reraise, instead of over-committing, the turn is a 3h. you refuse to believe that some idiot has a 56 based on his pre-flop raise and his reraise on the flop, you put him on AcXc-A-X, you check and he bets. you call thinking you're committed to try and fill up and the river is 9c, you check, there's $2.75 in the pot (.10/.25), your opponent sheepishly bets .20, you call to see what on earth he's playing against you and he shows Q5-6-Q

or better yet, get used to this play....you check your monster set which has been ruined by this same board. your opponent bets .20 at 2.75 like a fool, you realize the flush has scared him and you reraise to 1.50 (you feel proud of your read and your boldness), he makes an insta-call and turns over the 5-6 with absolutely no regard for the flush he doesn't have. or he whips out a J-10 of clubs for 3rd best flush and you're shocked he called with such trash.

Play simulations by yourself, get a deck and some chips and deal out 9-handed play, 6-handed play. Examine the cards, determine what is playable and from what position, deal out some flops and start theorizing yourself. If you don't know what the proper play is when you're dealing out simulation hands, then you're never going to beat human opponents.
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