Ruling on annouce raise vs wrong amount of chips put into pot - Page 2 - ChipTalk.net

austin5string · #11 10-10-2005, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty

Another gotcha (at least in formal games) is the rule whereby your bet stands even if you do not declare a raise. IE; it takes $50 to call and you throw in a $500 chip with no declaration.

Actually, I believe I remember reading in Robert's Rules of Poker that if you throw in a SINGLE chip that is greater than the bet, it's only considered a call.

ahopen78 · #12 10-10-2005, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by austin5string

Actually, I believe I remember reading in Robert's Rules of Poker that if you throw in a SINGLE chip that is greater than the bet, it's only considered a call.

austin, you are correct.
if you put in one chip and it is greater than the bet it is only call (unless you say raise).

and it doesn't matter if you have smaller denomination chips to make the call either.

smitty · #13 10-10-2005, 05:21 PM

Yep, I stand corrected.

Q10 soooted · #14 10-10-2005, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by austin5string

Actually, I believe I remember reading in Robert's Rules of Poker that if you throw in a SINGLE chip that is greater than the bet, it's only considered a call.

Careful on that. That's in limit poker.
No-Limit:
11. A bet of a single chip or bill without comment is considered to be the full amount of the chip or bill allowed. However, a player acting on a previous bet with a larger denomination chip or bill is calling the previous bet unless this player makes a verbal declaration to raise the pot. (This includes acting on the forced bet of the big blind.)
Pot-Limit:
6. In pot-limit, if a chip or a bill larger than the pot size is put into the pot without comment, it is considered to be a bet of the pot size.

I also thought there was a rule (in NL/PL) that a single chip before the flop was considered to be a call, but a single chip post-flop was a bet/raise to the value of the chip. I couldn't find that though. It may be a local casino rule.

Matthew · #15 10-10-2005, 07:19 PM

The no-limit live tournaments that I have played in at Foxwoods, Turning Stone, Peppermill (Reno) - throwing a chip in with no verbal declaration has been considered a call. No matter what chips the player has in front of them.

I also said raise $1500 one time at TS tourny - proceeded to put the $300 blind in and then an additional $1500 - a player not even in the hand objected that the raise was to $1500 total, the dealer told me to take $300 back out.

Once in Harvey's in Tahoe in a 2-4 Limit game a player was down to his last $5 chip - he just silently tossed it in at the river after the initial $4 bet - meaning to go all in - but the bettor objected and said it was a call - the dealer pulled a $1 out of the pot and gave it back to him. The guy says - "you'll get it back as your tip when the a-hole shows his crap" He took the pot in the showdown and gave that single chip to the dealer as tip - racked his pot and left.

whitepotatoe · #16 10-10-2005, 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Q10 soooted

Careful on that. That's in limit poker.
No-Limit:
11. A bet of a single chip or bill without comment is considered to be the full amount of the chip or bill allowed. However, a player acting on a previous bet with a larger denomination chip or bill is calling the previous bet unless this player makes a verbal declaration to raise the pot. (This includes acting on the forced bet of the big blind.)
Pot-Limit:
6. In pot-limit, if a chip or a bill larger than the pot size is put into the pot without comment, it is considered to be a bet of the pot size.

I also thought there was a rule (in NL/PL) that a single chip before the flop was considered to be a call, but a single chip post-flop was a bet/raise to the value of the chip. I couldn't find that though. It may be a local casino rule.

11. A bet of a single chip or bill without comment is considered to be the full amount of the chip or bill allowed. However, a player acting on a previous bet with a larger denomination chip or bill is calling the previous bet unless this player makes a verbal declaration to raise the pot.

If you are first to act, and you don't declare your bet, whatever you put into the pot is the bet. But if you are facing a previous bet of $20 and put in a $100 chip, you have only called. But if you put in two $25 chips, it is a raise to $50.

I have never heard of the single chip rule being affected by pre or post flop play.

6. In pot-limit, if a chip or a bill larger than the pot size is put into the pot without comment, it is considered to be a bet of the pot size.

This is only if there has not been a previous bet. You cannot make a bet after someone else has already made a bet, you only have the option to raise, call, or fold.

Ramstone · #17 10-10-2005, 08:26 PM

It may seem stiff to some, but if you keep your vocabulary to two words, raise or call, youll find you get yourself in a lot fewer predicaments. Just say raise, take all the time you need to count it out, and put your raise in. Cuts down on the tell-age too.....

and please PLEASE never muck till the chips are pushed to you. All sorts of bickering starts when you do that....

JM · #18 10-10-2005, 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramstone

and please PLEASE never muck till the chips are pushed to you. All sorts of bickering starts when you do that....

Yeah, I second both of those, particularly the last. I made the mistake of mucking in the big blind because I thought the rest of the table had folded. Guy on the other end had called, but it was so noisy in there I didn't hear it and he had his hands over his cards so I didn't see them with a glance at the table. I gave my cards to the dealer when the sb folded and was surprised to see the chips going the other way! Of course the cards already hit the much, so I was hosed (and pissed). Luckily it was a tournament and not 'real money' and only a Q2o, but still could have been a winning hand.

austin5string · #19 10-10-2005, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Q10 soooted

Careful on that. That's in limit poker.
No-Limit:
11. A bet of a single chip or bill without comment is considered to be the full amount of the chip or bill allowed. However, a player acting on a previous bet with a larger denomination chip or bill is calling the previous bet unless this player makes a verbal declaration to raise the pot. (This includes acting on the forced bet of the big blind.)
Pot-Limit:
6. In pot-limit, if a chip or a bill larger than the pot size is put into the pot without comment, it is considered to be a bet of the pot size.

I also thought there was a rule (in NL/PL) that a single chip before the flop was considered to be a call, but a single chip post-flop was a bet/raise to the value of the chip. I couldn't find that though. It may be a local casino rule.

Right. I only meant when acting on a previous bet.

Double Eagle · #20 10-10-2005, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by smitty

However..... I believe you can just announce "Raise" and you can keep putting chips into the pot with several motions.

If you do not announce "raise" then the bet must come in one forward motion and you cannot return to your stack for more chips.

First, a verbal declaration is binding and you can not put more chips in the pot than you announced. The $50 must come back.

Second, you can NOT make several motions after calling raise. You may make one motion to place the amount of chips equal to the call, and then the raise must be made with in one additional motion. When you are watching on TV and you think you are seeing several motions, the players are just staging their bets next to their chip stacks before placing them out on the betting area.