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PocketRocket · #11 09-27-2005, 05:01 PM

Maybe I'm not understanding this, but if the other guy folded, what right does he have to a split pot even if that were the case. Bottom line here is if he didn't pay, he doesn't play. And as others have noted, the cards speak for themselves, it's no different than the drunk at a blackjack table who hits on 18 and draws a 3. Guess what, they still gotta pay him

austin5string · #12 09-27-2005, 05:08 PM

Two people stayed in the hand, Mithrandir and his buddy. His buddy was calling for the split because Mithrandir called Kings and then slow rolled his flush.

Mithrandir · #13 09-27-2005, 05:09 PM

Nah dude, 2 of us in at the end. He had a king three offsuit. I had a king deuce of clubs. I made a king high club flush. He had a pair of kings. We both showed our cards after the river.

PocketRocket · #14 09-27-2005, 05:47 PM

Well if you were in a cardroom or a casino, the dealer would have assumed you to be 'not so smart' for calling the wrong hand, but would have paid you off nevertheless. Same as the drunk who hit on 18.

I think the only question in my mind was whether you were being a smart-ass or a dumb one for not noticing what you had. That having been said I once won a hand with two pair (and any two pair would have won that hand), and announced it as 'two pair' but then borrowed an Alan Alda line from M*A*S*H "a pair of red nines and a pair of black nines"

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Originally Posted by Mithrandir

Nah dude, 2 of us in at the end. He had a king three offsuit. I had a king deuce of clubs. I made a king high club flush. He had a pair of kings. We both showed our cards after the river.

dad604 · #15 09-27-2005, 07:06 PM

Yup, from the sound of his post, he slow rolled his card.

Daniel · #16 09-27-2005, 07:32 PM

Classic case of slow rolling....its rude, but within the rule...

here's a case that happened last thursday at the Commerce Casino During a Cash Game (after we played satellites for the Cal State Poker Championship)....

Me and my poker PNC were playing at a 4-8 Limit table.....
my friend has K7...

there are 5 people in the hand with the flop coming
K 7 J......

my friend is small blind, he checks, next player checks, 3rd player bets $4....
everyone calls.....

turn is a Q (btw, suits dont matter it was rainbow and no flushes out there)......

my friend checks, one more check, 3rd player bets, last player calls, my friend raises, next player folds, 3rd player re-raises, last player folds, my friend calls.....

turn is a 9.....

my friend checks, the player bets, my friend raises, player re-raises, and my friend calls.....

the other player turns over JQ.....for 2 pair....

my friend almost in a fit of frustration, slows his pace and eventually throws (keyword being "THROWS") his cards FACE UP into the board, the dealer begins to slide the money over to the other player...

when i emphatically say, the K7 2 pair beats the JQ 2 pair, "WTF are you doing dealer...???"....

everyone at the table is upset, saying that my friend "FOLDED" his hand and "CONCEDED" by throwing his cards in the manner in which he threw them....

granted he was a bit dejected during the throw, but regardless, it is the DEALERS responsibility to determine the winning hand, not judge it by the "appearance" of the player....

in the end, floorman was called over, drama ensued, and my friend took down a substantial pot,....that was justifyably (SP?) his...

sorry for the long story,
D

Mithrandir · #17 09-27-2005, 09:02 PM

Dealers are human. Not robots. They can make mistakes. I've had it happen a few times at tables I've been at actually. Not a huge amount of times, but a few.

Excelsior · #18 09-27-2005, 09:13 PM

"Show one, show all" actually refers to showing BOTH cards to claim a winning hand. Too many people refer to that rule as show one person, show all eprsons and it is simply not referring to that at all. This is where the cards speak for themselves and anyone that sees the winning is actually one that is better than the one announced can correct anyone(including the dealer) as to that clear fact.

If any player that had cards at the show time had requested to see cards and those cards in fact caused them to lose, then they would then lose that pot. If a player who was not there at the end then they would have no reason to see the cards.

DaveHNK · #19 09-27-2005, 11:14 PM

I used to play in a game with two cousins who were so bad at slow rolling, the house rules eventually changed to your hand was whatever you declared (assuming you could at least get that -- no "royal flush" every time). And only first card counted, if you rolled one card over at a time.

Tends to encourage the boys to just show their cards when called an keep their traps shut. Then again, most guys I've played with know not to go for the cheap stuff like that anyway.

austin5string · #20 09-27-2005, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Excelsior

"Show one, show all" actually refers to showing BOTH cards to claim a winning hand. Too many people refer to that rule as show one person, show all eprsons and it is simply not referring to that at all.

Beg to differ, Excelsior.. From the section "The Showdown" from Robert's Rules of Poker -

6. Show one, show all. Players are entitled to receive equal access to information about the contents of another player's hand. After a deal, if cards are shown to another player, every player at the table has a right to see those cards. During a deal, cards that were shown to an active player who might have a further wagering decision on that betting round must immediately be shown to all the other players. If the player who saw the cards is not involved in the deal, or cannot use the information in wagering, the information should be withheld until the betting is over, so it does not affect the normal outcome of the deal. Cards shown to a person who has no more wagering decisions on that betting round, but might use the information on a later betting round, should be shown to the other players at the conclusion of that betting round. If only a portion of the hand has been shown, there is no requirement to show any of the unseen cards. The shown cards are treated as given in the preceding part of this rule.