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Except for the use of "here" twice in one sentence.

I love the call-bluff. So did it work?
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I raised $50 more, to $100 total. He folded, I win $172 pot.

Hand analysis:

What does Villain have?
Pre-flop limp suggests virtually any two cards. Its not uncommon in a 6-seat game to limp with a huge range of hands.

Villain’s flop bet suggests that he got a piece of it, and is looking to chase away a flush draw, or a goofy straight draw. He might have A9-A2, or a wide range of hands with an 8 or 6. AK-AT probably would have been a raise pre-flop, so I don’t think he has these hands.

Villain’s turn bet suggests that he thinks that I am on a draw, based on my call on the flop, and he is again trying to drive out my draw. He now probably does not have A6, or he would have checked and let me dig my own hole. He might have a 6, but this is unlikely. He probably has Ax or an 8. He also might be bluffing with junk or on a flush draw himself.

River bet is revealing. My guess is that he no longer thinks that he has the best hand, or he would have bet at least the pot or more. If he had a monster (A6 or 86) and really wanted a call with a strong hand, he probably would have bet smaller. He might be afraid that I was not on a draw, but maybe hit a lucky boat, or have A8. On the river, I assign this range of hands and probability of that hand:

Ax, lower than A8 – 50% (results in chopped pot)
AT, A9 – 20% (I’m beat)
8x – 20% (I win)
Flush draw or junk? -- 10% (I win)

My play:
His range of hands, combined with his river bet, suggests that he’s susceptible to folding to a raise. Facing a raise with any of the hands that I think he has would be tough to call, if Villain assigns 50% of more probability that I have the winner. Villain is also a decent player, so he’s not just going to auto-call a raise like a weaker player with any pair. (Interesting how the thinking players are more likely to be bluffed.)

From his perspective, if I had A6, 88 or 86, for example, I would have played the hand exactly as I did, and then raise on the river. I might do this with A8, also. If I’m Villain, my weak ace on the river shrivels up. A mini-raise on the river also has the benefit of losing the least if he calls, plus it looks like I’m just begging for a call. Finally, my guess at his hand ranges means only 20% chance that I’m beat. I might be wrong, but that’s poker.

Raise it up!

Footnote for Yeltsin: Why was I just calling on the flop and turn?
Sometimes calling is the right move. Flop bet was worthy of a call, since his range of hands on the flop looks something like this:

Ax (not A2) – 50% (I’m beat)
8x or 6x – 25% (I’m ahead)
Draw – 15% (I’m ahead)
Pure bluff – 10% (I’m ahead)

At a 6-seat table, players bet with weaker hands on the flop, like just a pair eights, partly to test the waters and partly because eights may be the best hand.

On the turn, my assessment of his range hands is the same as discussed above:

Ax, lower than A8 – 50% (results in chopped pot)
AT, A9, A8, 6x – 20% (I’m beat)
8x – 20% (I win)
Flush draw or junk? -- 10% (I win)
AK, AQ, AJ – 0% (he very likely would have raised pre-flop with these hands)

Worthy of at least a call. Plus maybe I can now set him up for a bluff on the river (or simply a raise with the winner). Sometimes, calling works.
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There will be times that you have to bluff if you want to win, for instance in the world of series event i played, only a thousand in chips to start, so you had better get chips fast or you won't last very long--one hand i had half my stack in the pot before the turn had nothing at all, but two hearts on deck, the turn put another heart out there and without hesitation called all in, a few seconds went by and the remaining players mucked and i got nicely payed off and was no longer short stacked, now i was better able to play quality hands since i wasn't playing scared ( short stacked ) and if your wondering i finished around 225 out of 825 took about 4 and 1/2 hours not a bad showing for my first wsop event. Can't wait until next year!
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I raised $50 more, to $100 total. He folded, I win $172 pot.
Good bet! I would have feared a 6x (6A worst case) from the villian, but he just bet $24 on 4th when the board paired. If he had a set or worse a boat, he probably would have bet more.

Nice move to slap the action back on him! He probably put you on a 6x....
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Good bet! I would have feared a 6x (6A worst case) from the villian, but he just bet $24 on 4th when the board paired. If he had a set or worse a boat, he probably would have bet more.

Nice move to slap the action back on him! He probably put you on a 6x....
Um, $24 bet on the turn was a pot sized bet. You really think he would have over bet the pot with a set or boat?
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If he was solid he most likely would have raised with an ace and a High kicker preflop. His immediate betting on the flop in my mind suggests a draw, trying to push out the mid and low pairs. Must have had a decent flush draw possibly or . He never slow played, so he was trying to take the pot down. His bets equalled the pot up until the river where he backed down and didn't try hard to convince he hit his hand.


If he was a solid player, he probably would have checked at some point if he hit his hand, to throw you off. He could have second high pair, but I don't think I'd keep beting at a pot that keeps getting called with a possible set and an overcard (ace none the less, short handed ace will at least call the BB to see the flop). He could also have the ace with a bad kicker like you, the pair helps it, but 8 high for kicker probably isn't worth the call.

Sounds like tha hands I got this weekend, monsters that never matured....
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Sounds like tha hands I got this weekend, monsters that never matured....
A monster that never matures is usually good enough for me...

Its like in baseball. Every team wins 54 games, every teams loses 54 games, and its how you play the 54 games in the middle that count.
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Sounds like tha hands I got this weekend, monsters that never matured....
A monster that never matures is usually good enough for me...

Its like in baseball. Every team wins 54 games, every teams loses 54 games, and its how you play the 54 games in the middle that count.
I was playing limit, and could not get anyone to go away. People with 3rd high pair called me down to the river, I know I should have switched tables, but they were such calling stations I figured I'd bust them big. Problem was, I never caught cards, not just a few times, everytime. It was the worst experience I've had in a very long time.
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