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07-30-2005, 08:33 PM
|  | Westside Irish/Mod | | Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The OC, son. Born and Raised. Age: 30
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So how many of you have experienced the pleasure of being knocked out of a S&G or tourney by two or more players who are obviously (or not so obviously) collaborating their efforts via the telephone, or any other method of coersion.
I have heard of this being practiced and have read about it as well, but until today, havent experienced it. Considering the fact that I have only recently started playing for cash, and have all ready come across obvious cheating, well, this doesnt bode well for online play in my opinion.
Im still kinda bummed (tilted?) about it so I will post what actually happened in a bit.
I want to know if anyone else has experienced this.
Let me know
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07-30-2005, 08:36 PM
|  | Final Table | | Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: I'm not a businessman...
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you mean collusion?
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07-30-2005, 08:40 PM
|  | On the lookout | | Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Atlanta again
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If it was online, email the site -- the decent sites tend to look into things like this, and they have all the plays archived.
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07-30-2005, 08:57 PM
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So Im at the final table, 3rd to act. Pick up AQs, I raise, folds around to the CO (cheater A) who calls. Dealer (cheaterB), who is chip leader, puts me all-in. I debate, but make the call. ( hes been EXTREMLY loose and I felt comfortable with my call if it was just me and him). But heres where it get bad for me. The CO calls, then the dealer folds!!! HE PUTS ME ALL-IN AND THEN FOLDS TO THE CO"S CALL??!! WTF!!
CO shows KK, and they hold up.
So it takes a second to for me to realize what has happened, but as I continue to watch, the same exact method of play keeps taking place. they are also ALWAYS being giving time warnings, and it all starts to add up. These two are obviously on the phone, telling each other what they hold.
So I type one in one word...
COERSION..
and all hell breaks loose.
The second place stack immediately asks who it is, so I gladly point it out.
At first the two cheaters are silent, but then jump on the defensive. Out of the word works comes two players (who werent even in the tourney!),who are observing, jump on my case, completely defending the cheaters, going as far as insulting my mom and such. Its all very over the top and I call them on it.
I bust thier balls telling them that I might be able to respect it if it wasnt so obvious. But thier lag time on hands and the easy to see methods are so blatant that I have to call a cheat a cheat.
Other players start to pick up on thier styles as well and jump on my bandwagon.
They end up practically admitting what they are doing, and challenge the rest of us to do something about it.
All Im left with is the sour taste, and
right now, all I can say is F' it.
Thanks for letting me vent.
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07-30-2005, 08:58 PM
| | Westside Irish/Mod | | Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The OC, son. Born and Raised. Age: 30
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Originally Posted by TomHimself you mean collusion? | yes, collusion.
my bad
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07-30-2005, 10:00 PM
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how is it possible for the dealer to fold unless the Co raised? anyway i would email the sites support asking to have their chat banned or sumthn
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07-30-2005, 10:02 PM
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I didn't even think you COULD fold if you were just called (A calling B). Where were you playing? What (EDIT) was the buy-in/prize pool? Anyway, if they did pretty much admit it as you say, I would definitely report it. Make note of the hand number and send it in.
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07-30-2005, 10:17 PM
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yeah in the heat of things, i might have lost track of the initial raisers position, all i know, is he put me all in, then i found myself heads up with another guy. i should have kept better track of it, but it was just so fishy to me. thx for your comments guys.
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07-31-2005, 12:08 AM
|  | Prick | | Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Merrimack, NH
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A subcontractor that works for me told me two kids that work under him play cash games in the same room(literally, one on a desktop one on a laptop with different connections) against others. He never told me exactly who they were or when(this was about a year ago), but this sub is a huge gambler(Caesers picks him up and flies him around, I figure he blows 100K maybe more to get that treatment)and he says he won't play online because of what these kids do. These kids are morons and they're doing this, what do real mechanics do?
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07-31-2005, 01:42 AM
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How about some more details. I would like to know what site. Also what was the buyin for the tournament? It also would would be nice to know the name of the two players in case anyone of us runs into them in the future.
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