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Old 07-20-2005, 04:25 AM
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Re: Did I make the right call?

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Originally Posted by SpeakEasy
Interesting question you pose: "Did I make the right call?" A better question would be: "Did I play this flop correctly?"

Check-calling that flop is fairly weak. If you bet the flop with maybe half the pot, and get raised, that might be your best chance to get away from this hand. A raise after you lead on the flop might mean:
1. King with decent kicker
1. flush draw
3. straight draw
4. set
5. better two pair.
There's just a huge range of hands here that might raise if you lead on the flop, and your response would depend on your read of the opponent and the size of his raise.

As played, I think you still might get away from this, depending on your read. The pot is 3650, and he bets 4800. Why would he overbet so much? Answer: To scare away the flush and straight draws because he flopped a BIG hand. What's a big hand here?
1. AK (not likely - no PF raise)
2. Two pair
3. Set

Most reasonable players are not going to make this overbet with a straight or flush draw. We can rule out a set of kings, because that would also be a PF raise. Would he just call with 99 or 88? Maybe. Another factor is that he's a fairly big stack, so he's not short on chips and therefore pressured to play this pot out of desperation. From my experience, a big overbet on the flop means something, and in this case the best read is that he flopped something big that he is protecting. I can't see such a big overbet from a king with a kicker lower than an ace or just a pair of eights or nines. So, assigning some meaning to the overbet, there's probably nothing that you can beat that would lead to a big overbet. You're way behind a set, and you also can't beat any other two pair.
enough said. spot on mr. SpeakEasy. very nice insight
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